Trump immigrant family separation policy

Joecool said:
I'm not a Trumpist. I disagree with some of his policies and I acknowledge that he's got his warts.

But the immigrants are partially at fault for their predicament. Even if you disagree.
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And so, the question, and the test:

What are they supposed to do?

Are they still "at fault" if they remain in an area where violent gangs rampage, recruit small children, and so forth? Particularly if these gangs use US-made weapons, and ar funded by US drug use or US covert operations (less a thing today than it used to be)?

Or how about if they're, say, in a war zone that is partially funded by the US - such as in Syria? Are they "at fault" if they remain in a bombed-out city?

And keep in mind that in each case "stay and fix it" is not an option.
 
The US Border Farce would probably spend a lot less money and effort actually making more legitimate border crossings and staff available to process would-be immigrants properly.

Instead, they seem to be concentrating on funding a whole bunch of pseudo-Texas-rangers and prison camps to chase down and hold all these assumed illegals, all of which cost a LOT of money to operate.

So not only is it inhumane, it is economically bust as well. One would think it is really a politically-motivated make-work for a bunch of know-nothing gum-chewing thick-headed loud-mouth Trump-voters.
 
varwoche said:
We've never seen anything like this assault on democratic institutions, and the lack of basic decency on display, all fervently supported by the Trump cult. I don't have context to draw upon. But is sure seems this way.

All my life I've blithely assumed that American democracy was a fixture set in stone, regardless the imperfections. I don't think that anymore. Now it seems fragile.
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I used to laugh at the idea of armed resistence to a dictatorship in the US. Not anymore.
 
sylvan8798 said:
I hope the media keep up the pressure on this story. The executive order seems to have a lot of wiggle room, as well as seemingly allowing for indefinite detention of these people.
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The media smells blood in the water on this, so they won't let up on the story.
 
And ,since the illegals beind held are still citizens of the country they came from, you can bet there are going to severe diplomatic repurcussons from this.
Governments get upset if they think their citizens are being mistreated.
COngratulations, Donnie, you have made the "Yankees" more hated then ever throughout Latin America.
And if the Trumpist think this will not damage the US in the long run...and probably the short run also...they are idiots, But I think that was established a long time ago.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
The US Border Farce would probably spend a lot less money and effort actually making more legitimate border crossings and staff available to process would-be immigrants properly.

Instead, they seem to be concentrating on funding a whole bunch of pseudo-Texas-rangers and prison camps to chase down and hold all these assumed illegals, all of which cost a LOT of money to operate.

So not only is it inhumane, it is economically bust as well. One would think it is really a politically-motivated make-work for a bunch of know-nothing gum-chewing thick-headed loud-mouth Trump-voters.
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We have a love hate relationship with the undocumented. It's as if we think if they get past a deadly version of a Japanese gameshow obstacle course they have earned the prize of being exploited. We need a real guest worker program in this country that enforces basic standards for wages and living conditions and keeps them out of industries where they would apply downward pressure on pay. Undocumented workers destroyed the meat packing industry in this country as far as jobs where you could earn a living wage. Or to be more accurate, the meat packing companies with the benign neglect of what was then the INS did it.

If you want a good reason not to prosecute these people consider how we speak to them out both sides of our mouths. We practically entrap them.
 
Joecool said:
What atrocities befell the children who were detained while their parents were being processed? No responsibility on the shoulders of the parents who put their children in that predicament?
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there are reports coming out that they were given psychotropic drugs without consent. Atrocity enough for you?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And that's because, what, they made a decision to flee from threats of death, or, they didn't go to one of those ports of entry they couldn't get close to?
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I'm sure what you describe happens at times, but when I was trying to learn more about the motivation of these illegal immigrants, it looked like more were trying to come to the US to work and that they felt it was beneficial to the US and an honorable thing to do.
 
Joecool said:
I'm sure what you describe happens at times, but when I was trying to learn more about the motivation of these illegal immigrants, it looked like more were trying to come to the US to work and that they felt it was beneficial to the US and an honorable thing to do.
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Really? Easy-peasy call them all economic refugees even when gangs and murders have skyrocketed in Central America along with warring drug factions.

When has a wave of unaccompanied minors ever flooded to safety in the US before two years ago (or whenever that surge started)? Suddenly teenagers just decided to go look for work in the US?

Your assumptions about these people reveal your preexisting bias.
 
uke2se said:
The US doesn't jail immigrants, illegal or not. They detain them and then deport them. Why do you think the US should jail immigrants without due process?
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They're all detained because otherwise it's "catch and release," a scary phrase used to imply that la migra is powerless to detain criminals.
 
Follow the money, one TX company supposedly non-profit, has gotten more than a billion in US contracts over the years. The CEO and his spouse who is the VP are making millions and it's out of balance for a non-profit.

CNN has the story.
 
Mumbles said:
And so, the question, and the test:

What are they supposed to do?

Are they still "at fault" if they remain in an area where violent gangs rampage, recruit small children, and so forth? Particularly if these gangs use US-made weapons, and ar funded by US drug use or US covert operations (less a thing today than it used to be)?

Or how about if they're, say, in a war zone that is partially funded by the US - such as in Syria? Are they "at fault" if they remain in a bombed-out city?

And keep in mind that in each case "stay and fix it" is not an option.
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I still don't get how they are responsible for how we as Americans react to their presence.
 
Joecool said:
I'm sure what you describe happens at times, but when I was trying to learn more about the motivation of these illegal immigrants, it looked like more were trying to come to the US to work and that they felt it was beneficial to the US and an honorable thing to do.
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Hey if they didn't work harder for less money there would be no illegal immigrants. That's their real crime; they are busting the union.

"It looked like." Cite? I'm curious who led you to believe that immigrants are coming here because it's honorable.
 
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