Trump immigrant family separation policy

slyjoe said:
As soon as a consequence comes from his tweet let us know.
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Twitter took down the threats and the White House has announced that FLOTUS Office has notified the Secret Service of the threats.

Really unclear what the children of the rank and file ICE employees are going to do as the result of the threats, however.
 
The Big Dog said:
Twitter took down the threats and the White House has announced that FLOTUS Office has notified the Secret Service of the threats.

Really unclear what the children of the rank and file ICE employees are going to do as the result of the threats, however.
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They could go to summer camp.

I understand there are some real budget programs out there.
 
Segnosaur said:
Even if they didn't specifically vote for Trump, they didn't vote to STOP him either when they had the chance. And chances are even if they didn't vote for Trump, they probably voted for a republican congressman, who have done their best to confirm Trump's nominations (like Sessions) and support him politically. So no, they don't automatically get a free pass just because they didn't vote for Trump himself.

And where exactly were they during the previous decade when the republicans were doing their best to gerrymander and supress votes to disenfranchise minority voters? Where were they when the republican congress was talking about how their only job was to oppose Obama? Where were they when congress was having yet more pointless investigations into Bengazi? They (meaning Republican voters) helped create the environment that gave rise to Trump (and ultimately the child separation policy), even if they voted for Johnson or Stein in the last election.
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I voted for Gary Johnson, in Illinois. There is no way the election would be close in Illinois. I detested and still detest Trump. I have been very vocal in opposing Trump, not only here but on Facebook. I consider myself a conservative - and so I could not in good conscience to who I thought would be best for America, vote for Hillary (especially in a state where I feel the Democratic Party is a machine geared to help itself and the state be damned), and it didn't matter for my vote anyway.

Please tell me again how I am responsible for Trump and his policies
 
LSSBB said:
I voted for Gary Johnson, in Illinois. There is no way the election would be close in Illinois. I detested and still detest Trump. I have been very vocal in opposing Trump, not only here but on Facebook. I consider myself a conservative - and so I could not in good conscience to who I thought would be best for America, vote for Hillary (especially in a state where I feel the Democratic Party is a machine geared to help itself and the state be damned), and it didn't matter for my vote anyway.

Please tell me again how I am responsible for Trump and his policies
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Who did you vote for for congress?
 
LSSBB said:
I voted for Gary Johnson, in Illinois. There is no way the election would be close in Illinois. I detested and still detest Trump. I have been very vocal in opposing Trump, not only here but on Facebook. I consider myself a conservative - and so I could not in good conscience to who I thought would be best for America, vote for Hillary (especially in a state where I feel the Democratic Party is a machine geared to help itself and the state be damned), and it didn't matter for my vote anyway.

Please tell me again how I am responsible for Trump and his policies
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I thought I pretty much explained things...

Did you vote for a republican congress critter (the ones who are falling lock-step to support Trump, even if they are vocal about the child separation policy)? Did you vote republican in the past, when the party was running around gerrymandering and engaging in voter suppression?

Ok, you didn't like Clinton... so you looked at the 2 options, and decided that it would be better for a racist Orangutan to be in power over a person who is, for the most part, relatively moderate and, well, not a racist orangutan.

And even if your vote didn't factor in to the final election result, you should have voted for her for no other reason than the symbolic "Not everyone in the U.S. wants a racist nut-bag in power and will do whatever we can to stop him".

I'm not American; I'm actually Canadian. However, I tend to vote conservative in our own federal elections. If I were in the states, at one point I might have favored the republican party. (Heck, I even defended George W. Bush at times). But those days are long gone, eliminated by the constant hypocracy, underhanded tactics, integration with the evangelical movement and the NRA, and underlying racism that seems to be endemic with the Republican party of today. I hope they get wiped out in the next few elections and spend a generation in the political wilderness so that they can learn that power for power's sake is not a virtue.
 
NoahFence said:
It's the same if your goal is to make a really, really stupid argument.
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hey we agree! comparing fonda to trump is really a bad argument, indeed!

particularly where fonda's threats were against Barron Trump and also directed at ice rank and file employee children.
 
LSSBB said:
I voted for Gary Johnson, in Illinois. There is no way the election would be close in Illinois. I detested and still detest Trump. I have been very vocal in opposing Trump, not only here but on Facebook. I consider myself a conservative - and so I could not in good conscience to who I thought would be best for America, vote for Hillary (especially in a state where I feel the Democratic Party is a machine geared to help itself and the state be damned), and it didn't matter for my vote anyway.

Please tell me again how I am responsible for Trump and his policies
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So you really think Johnson would have made the best leader?
 
ponderingturtle said:
So you really think Johnson would have made the best leader?
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Even if he though Johnson would be the best leader, there was no chance he could have won the election, which in the states typically comes down to Democrat vs. Republican.

So, a vote for Johnson was (indirectly) a vote that favored Trump.
 
Segnosaur said:
Even if he though Johnson would be the best leader, there was no chance he could have won the election, which in the states typically comes down to Democrat vs. Republican.

So, a vote for Johnson was (indirectly) a vote that favored Trump.
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No it wasn't for reasons he explained in his post. Please refer to Article II Section 1 of the US Constitution
 
The Big Dog said:
"I'm going to find the congressman's kids and kill them," an intern who took the call told the FBI, according to a federal complaint filed in U.S. District Court. "If you are going to separate kids at the border, I'm going to kill his kids."
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After that, he called them sub human mongrels and told them to suck on his machine gun.
 
Segnosaur said:
I thought I pretty much explained things...

Did you vote for a republican congress critter (the ones who are falling lock-step to support Trump, even if they are vocal about the child separation policy)? Did you vote republican in the past, when the party was running around gerrymandering and engaging in voter suppression?

Ok, you didn't like Clinton... so you looked at the 2 options, and decided that it would be better for a racist Orangutan to be in power over a person who is, for the most part, relatively moderate and, well, not a racist orangutan.

And even if your vote didn't factor in to the final election result, you should have voted for her for no other reason than the symbolic "Not everyone in the U.S. wants a racist nut-bag in power and will do whatever we can to stop him".

I'm not American; I'm actually Canadian. However, I tend to vote conservative in our own federal elections. If I were in the states, at one point I might have favored the republican party. (Heck, I even defended George W. Bush at times). But those days are long gone, eliminated by the constant hypocracy, underhanded tactics, integration with the evangelical movement and the NRA, and underlying racism that seems to be endemic with the Republican party of today. I hope they get wiped out in the next few elections and spend a generation in the political wilderness so that they can learn that power for power's sake is not a virtue.
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I voted for Hillary but gave serioius consideration to voting for Johnson simply because I hated Trump with a passion, but simply did not agree with a lot of Hilary's policies.
But to be fair, voting for Johnson did seem to be a "safe" protest vote because Hilary was heavily favored to win.
And I think you are not being fair, a number of people thought there would be more resistence to Trump from Republicans in Congress then their has been.
I will give people a pass for 2016, but not for 2018. I am voting a straight Democratic ticket.....and I HATE,HATE,HATE having to do that.
 
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The Big Dog said:
hey we agree! comparing fonda to trump is really a bad argument, indeed!

particularly where fonda's threats were against Barron Trump and also directed at ice rank and file employee children.
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Yet another response that has nothing to do with what you quoted.

Care to try again, this time with more honesty? The point was comparing the influence of Fonda vs. Trump.

You can find it yourself by scrolling up a bit.
 
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