Trump immigrant family separation policy

newyorkguy said:
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Thought: Since the news of all this broke, this has completely pushed the Mueller investigation and Paul Manafort off the front page.
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Except on Fox News where 'the whole Mueller investigation is tainted' is the main topic being covered.
 
LSSBB said:
Yeah, but then they come smack up against the part of the Bible that Sessions quoted, that says they need to obey their government.

Unless they're not fundamentalist Christians. Then all ok.
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Ah, but a government that tried to take away their guns or curtail their freedom in any significant way cannot be a righteous Christian government and therefore they are perfectly entitled to resist that government in the same way that Noah resisted against the Babylonians* ;)


* - see, my knowledge of The Bible is just as good as theirs
 
pgwenthold said:
I want to know, what exactly do the 2nd amendment consider to be tyranny that justifies the use of weapons against the government?
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White guys being told they can’t graze their cows on federal land got a lot of sympathy for going 2a v government about things iirc.
 
Craig4 said:
That's a bit of a cheap shot at conservatives. Some of the strongest condemnations of this policy have come from conservatives. This is a question of being loyal to the nation and our values or not. You can be loyal to our values and be conservative. You cannot be loyal to this country and support this president and his policies.
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Its always amazing to hear conservatives, republicans and the religious right decrying the forced separation, as if they had nothing to do with it.

Well, guess what... to any such conservative....even though you are criticizing Trump for the policy, YOU ARE STILL RESPONSIBLE.

Trump voters put their X next to Trump's name on the ballot, even though he used such race-baiting tactics as linking "Mexicans" with "Rapists". People who worked on his campaign, or publically supported him did so even though they knew Trump's supporters also included Arpaio (who also is a racist). Evangelical Christians gave Trump a "mulligan" over his infidelities, even though he has a long history of lying and running scams (such as Trump U.) Republicans in the senate voted to confirm Sessions, and congress has been quite happy to support Trump politically time and time again. (Not to mention their long-running attempts to destroy decorum in American politics by constant opposition to Obama or useless investigations into Bengazi.)

What did they think would happen?

Conservatives are being linked to the child separation policy because THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE, regardless of how much they try to distance themselves from the end result.

Now, does that mean that EVERY conservative is responsible? Well, maybe not... perhaps there may be one or 2 who have been living in a cave for the past decade or 2 who have avoided politics. But for anyone who has voted republican (either for Trump, or for other republican politicians), who has publically supported Trump, donated to the republican party or their PACs, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. The separation of children from their parents is a value that you find acceptable, because you fed the monster that gave birth to the beast.
 
Segnosaur said:
Its always amazing to hear conservatives, republicans and the religious right decrying the forced separation, as if they had nothing to do with it.

Well, guess what... to any such conservative....even though you are criticizing Trump for the policy, YOU ARE STILL RESPONSIBLE.

Trump voters put their X next to Trump's name on the ballot, even though he used such race-baiting tactics as linking "Mexicans" with "Rapists". People who worked on his campaign, or publically supported him did so even though they knew Trump's supporters also included Arpaio (who also is a racist). Evangelical Christians gave Trump a "mulligan" over his infidelities, even though he has a long history of lying and running scams (such as Trump U.) Republicans in the senate voted to confirm Sessions, and congress has been quite happy to support Trump politically time and time again. (Not to mention their long-running attempts to destroy decorum in American politics by constant opposition to Obama or useless investigations into Bengazi.)

What did they think would happen?

Conservatives are being linked to the child separation policy because THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE, regardless of how much they try to distance themselves from the end result.

Now, does that mean that EVERY conservative is responsible? Well, maybe not... perhaps there may be one or 2 who have been living in a cave for the past decade or 2 who have avoided politics. But for anyone who has voted republican (either for Trump, or for other republican politicians), who has publically supported Trump, donated to the republican party or their PACs, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. The separation of children from their parents is a value that you find acceptable, because you fed the monster that gave birth to the beast.
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Not every conservative voted for Trump. Some may not have voted for President, and some may have voted for Gary Johnson (or Jill Stein, probably by accident)
 
The Big Dog said:
I am certain that stating that the person calling for violence against ICE employees' children only has 49,000 followers is not really all that strong of an argument against exhortations of violence, because I am absolutely certain that those ICE employees are not in the same ballpark influence wise as him.
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Besides, they're only following orders.
 
https://apnews.com/1dafadd6fee4447cadd4a0179553026e

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen has drafted an executive action for President Donald Trump that would direct her department to keep families together after they are detained crossing the border illegally. She was at the White House where Trump told reporters he would be “signing something” shortly.
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She realizes Congress might not pass what Trump wants.

Trump will attend a rally tonight saying he ended the Democrat's horrible policy.
 
LSSBB said:
Not every conservative voted for Trump. Some may not have voted for President, and some may have voted for Gary Johnson (or Jill Stein, probably by accident)
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Even if they didn't specifically vote for Trump, they didn't vote to STOP him either when they had the chance. And chances are even if they didn't vote for Trump, they probably voted for a republican congressman, who have done their best to confirm Trump's nominations (like Sessions) and support him politically. So no, they don't automatically get a free pass just because they didn't vote for Trump himself.

And where exactly were they during the previous decade when the republicans were doing their best to gerrymander and supress votes to disenfranchise minority voters? Where were they when the republican congress was talking about how their only job was to oppose Obama? Where were they when congress was having yet more pointless investigations into Bengazi? They (meaning Republican voters) helped create the environment that gave rise to Trump (and ultimately the child separation policy), even if they voted for Johnson or Stein in the last election.
 
NEW: President’s Exec Order will continue zero-tolerance policy on illegal border crossings, but allow families to remain together.
 
phiwum said:
Yes, I'd be in favor of that.

Sessions has been explicit that removal of children is a deterrent. That's so despicable that even Trump, morally impaired as he is, pretends that this is due to the Democrats.

The administration policy is intentionally cruel. No doubt.
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John Kelly said it was a deterrent as well.

These guys went out there without a plan, they sat around in a room and came up with the deterrent idea. Sessions and Kelly were first on the line repeating that idea. It did not go over well. Next came Trump blaming the Democrats. That did not go over well. Then they all tried to blame the parents, make the parents look like irresponsible criminals adding later the criminal parents were using kids to get better treatment seeking asylum. That did not go over well.

The bigotry reeks.

You can see this poorly planned, very bad idea being unfolding in a haphazard way.

Gee, it looked so good in that room full of racists when they came up with the idea. :mad:

Now they have to face the fact it looks really really bad for the GOP going into the midterms. Whoops.

Trump Says He Will Sign Order To End Family Separations
"We're going to keep families together but we still have to maintain toughness or our country will be overrun by people, by crime, by all of the things that we don't stand for and that we don't want," Trump said.
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Thought he couldn't do that. :rolleyes:


"We're going to keep families together but we still have to maintain toughness or our country will be overrun by people, by crime, by all of the things that we don't stand for and that we don't want," Trump said.
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Big fat lie unless you translate that to mean brown people.
 
Just days ago Trump was specific, he said that he couldn't sign an executive order to stop families from being separated.

I wonder what changed?
 
Who is responsible for re-uniting the children already in cages with their parents?
 
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