Trump immigrant family separation policy

uke2se said:
Sure, but this is still the Trump administration's fault for electing to use cruel laws. Let's never ever forget that.
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People keep saying stuff like this.

It isn't a matter of cruel laws. It is a matter of consciously choosing to apply laws in the cruelest way possible.

There is nothing about this new policy of enforcement which is mandated by existing laws. It is only the way the Trump administration has chosen to exercise their enforcement of those laws.

Other administrations have managed to enforce the same laws equally as well without conscious, premeditated cruelty. We haven't needed to forcefully separate thousands of children from their families before. There is no need to now.

It is simply what the Trump administration wants to do.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
You know that Family Detention Centers are a thing, right? Our society already has the jail technology to detain people without literally ripping babes from their mothers' breasts. There's no need at all to build separate centers for children and adults when you could build centers to keep them together, save unnecessary cruelty.
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Family Detention Centers are also cheaper than deliberately committing child abuse.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna884871?__twitter_impression=true
 
quadraginta said:
People keep saying stuff like this.

It isn't a matter of cruel laws. It is a matter of consciously choosing to apply laws in the cruelest way possible.

There is nothing about this new policy of enforcement which is mandated by existing laws. It is only the way the Trump administration has chosen to exercise their enforcement of those laws.

Other administrations have managed to enforce the same laws equally as well without conscious, premeditated cruelty. We haven't needed to forcefully separate thousands of children from their families before. There is no need to now.

It is simply what the Trump administration wants to do.
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Fair enough. I was more interested in keeping the blame where it belongs.

This is on the Trump administration and those supporting it.
 
https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1009325231004004352

29 years and nine months ago I registered to vote and became a member of The Republican Party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life. Today I renounce my membership in the Republican Party. It is fully the party of Trump.
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Schmidt was a campaign strategist for George W. Bush, Arnold Schwarzenneger, and senior campaign strategist for John McCain.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
You know that Family Detention Centers are a thing, right? Our society already has the jail technology to detain people without literally ripping babes from their mothers' breasts. There's no need at all to build separate centers for children and adults when you could build centers to keep them together, save unnecessary cruelty.
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Yes, I'd be in favor of that.

Sessions has been explicit that removal of children is a deterrent. That's so despicable that even Trump, morally impaired as he is, pretends that this is due to the Democrats.

The administration policy is intentionally cruel. No doubt.
 
quadraginta said:
Assumes facts not in evidence.

Why do you think they will bother to do anything fairly? Is there something about their behavior so far relating to this new policy which suggests to you that they care about "fairly".
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I was evaluating the bill on its own terms, without considering its author.

Usually, that is the right thing to do.
 
NoahFence said:
Corey Lewindowski regarding a Downs Syndrome child being removed from their parent's care:

"Whoop whoop"

Celebrating it.

He can die and all people like him can die for all I care. Miserably, publicly, painfully.
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I'm not trying to make excuses, and I'm not a doctor, but I'd say he suffers from being a ******* asshat.
 
kookbreaker said:
Sure are a lot of those lately.
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Sadly, nowhere near enough in positions of influence and/or power and a distinct lack of them at the "pointy end" of the House and Senate.

Even those who do make the occasional whimper of opposition soon fall back into like when an actual vote is called for or the Democratic Party is looking for someone to sign up to a bill. :mad:

IMO they are either deplorable (if they fully support the Trump Administration in it's - so far successful - attempts to undermine US democracy) and/or abject cowards (if they have reservations but refuse to act because they fear being primaried).
 
phiwum said:
The administration policy is intentionally cruel. No doubt.
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The trouble is that enough of the population are positively in favour of it (the 40% who continue to support the Trump Administration) that if anything it is going to enhance his approval ratings.
 
quadraginta said:
Which is wrong of course. Or in Sessions case, probably an intentional lie.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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Looking forward to the celebrations of turning away the jews on the St Louis next year. That should be an easy sell in this administration.
 
Peter Fonda urged that Barron Trump be taken from his family and put in a cage with pedophiles. He also urged people to surround the schools of ICE employees' children.

A poster here urged that armed groups storm the centers where the children are being held.
 
quadraginta said:
Interesting.

We can't even keep up with DNA testing rape kits to help catch known violent criminals. There are backlogs in some jurisdictions going back years if not decades.

Where is the money and the will to DNA catalog thousands of refugee families that the government has already shown it cares nothing for going to come from?
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As long as they get A kid back does it really matter which one - you can't tell them apart!
 
The Big Dog said:
Peter Fonda urged that Barron Trump be taken from his family and put in a cage with pedophiles. He also urged people to surround the schools of ICE employees' children.

A poster here urged that armed groups storm the centers where the children are being held.
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Ahh, the emotional crazy left.
 
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