Trump immigrant family separation policy

McHrozni said:
I didn't say he's highly intelligent, I'd grade him about average at best. But outright stupid? That's far too much of a simplification, and a dangerous one at that.
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I don't think it is a "simplification", I think it's the most likely explanation for the evidence. I also think you have shown no evidence that it's untrue, but have instead conflated effectiveness and intelligence.
 
Corey Lewindowski regarding a Downs Syndrome child being removed from their parent's care:

"Whoop whoop"

Celebrating it.

He can die and all people like him can die for all I care. Miserably, publicly, painfully.
 
newyorkguy said:
I found it really astounding that some of the kids are being housed in New York. They flew them all the way from Texas to here? This is insane.

Thought: Since the news of all this broke, this has completely pushed the Mueller investigation and Paul Manafort off the front page.
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Good. Might allow Mueller to get some decent investigative work done without having his every move questioned by the slavish devotees to Trump's "innocence".
 
NoahFence said:
Corey Lewindowski regarding a Downs Syndrome child being removed from their parent's care:

"Whoop whoop"

Celebrating it.

He can die and all people like him can die for all I care. Miserably, publicly, painfully.
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Cruelty is the point. The right has tremendous power in our government currently. Of all the ways they could have acted to change in illegal immigration situation in this country, they have chosen overt cruelty for the sake of cruelty.

They have no interest in using their power for good governance. Just inflicting suffering on their enemies. And acquiring more power so they can inflict greater suffering on more enemies.

Seems like the left is waiting for some grand crisis to galvanize action. I doubt it will happen. Things will just continue to get steadily, incrementally worse.
 
phiwum said:
Goodness, I usually agree with you and I hate the current policy, but I think you're wrong here. If one's parents are taken into custody and no one else is available, then the child would be taken into custodial care.

Like I said, the fact that Sessions has decided to take every family into custody is a bad move, but I think that your description of the effect is mistaken.
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Fair enough. I retract that part of the post. It's a good principle in most cases, but this situation would be an exception.
 
phiwum said:
Goodness, I usually agree with you and I hate the current policy, but I think you're wrong here. If one's parents are taken into custody and no one else is available, then the child would be taken into custodial care.

Like I said, the fact that Sessions has decided to take every family into custody is a bad move, but I think that your description of the effect is mistaken.
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You know that Family Detention Centers are a thing, right? Our society already has the jail technology to detain people without literally ripping babes from their mothers' breasts. There's no need at all to build separate centers for children and adults when you could build centers to keep them together, save unnecessary cruelty.
 
Might be time for some armed groups to get together and plan a rescue for these children unless congress can stop the cruelty.
 
uke2se said:
Might be time for some armed groups to get together and plan a rescue for these children unless congress can stop the cruelty.
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It is legal cruelty based on properly enacted laws. Armed groups shouldn't overturn a democratic process.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
And it feeds in to the question I asked right at the start of this thread, and which nobody has been able to answer - who actually benefits from this policy? How does it make America safer, or better? It seems that the reason nobody who is defending this policy can answer those questions is because the answers are "nobody" and "it doesn't", respectively.
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It makes the Trumpers feel good, arguably a "benefit" for them. I have a feeling the "private prison" business is thriving as well.

If you haven't seen Trump's speech to the independent business group NFIB yesterday, it's worth checking out the first half.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfW1pHC2GuA

I have a sick feeling about this getting worse instead of better.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/1008695502379077637

This just in from @davidbegnaud: Border Patrol has reached out to @cbsthismorning and said they are "very uncomfortable" with the use of the word cages. They say it's not inaccurate and added that they may be cages but people are not being treated like animals.
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Of course they aren't.

There are actual laws to prevent the inhumane treatment of animals.

Brown refugees, not so much.
 
BobTheCoward said:
It is legal cruelty based on properly enacted laws. Armed groups shouldn't overturn a democratic process.
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Out of curiosity, at what point in the trajectory of Nazi Germany would you say that armed groups should have overturned their democratic processes?
 
logger said:
I wonder if anyone here is interested in these facts. Maybe the Dems are in support of the smugglers.
“Sessions is talking to congressional members and is hoping for a legislative fix. The AG wants an immigration policy that is just, fair and enforceable. They talked about making sure that these really are the parents of these kids,” Perkins said.

He continued, “They are looking at how to use DNA tests in the field to verify they are parents and not traffickers. The reality is if American parents put their kids through what these immigrant parents have done to their kids — they would be charged with child abuse.”
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http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/tony-perkins-sessions-dna-tests/
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Interesting.

We can't even keep up with DNA testing rape kits to help catch known violent criminals. There are backlogs in some jurisdictions going back years if not decades.

Where is the money and the will to DNA catalog thousands of refugee families that the government has already shown it cares nothing for going to come from?
 
phiwum said:
On the surface, it seems reasonable. I'm not sure whether the fourteen day provision is a good one. It might require more time to evaluate a case fairly.
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Assumes facts not in evidence.

Why do you think they will bother to do anything fairly? Is there something about their behavior so far relating to this new policy which suggests to you that they care about "fairly".
 
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