Trump immigrant family separation policy

The Don said:
Why should the Democrats be his water carriers ?
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Exactly. What congressional Democrats could do is to draft a law granting blanket asylum to everyone detained in a Trump concentration camp.
 
xjx388 said:
Could congress fix this by drafting legislation that specifically forbids the separation of families? Like a line inserted into the law that makes border crossing a crime? If so, I'd like to see the Democrats draft such a bill in response to Trump's BS buck-passing to them.
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They already have (a little over half way down the article). As of four days ago, they seem to be having trouble getting Republicans to sign on.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
So let me see, the Republican defences of this policy so far are:

  • It's a law put in place by the Democrats and they are powerless to do things any differently
  • It can only be repealed by an act of Congress and the Democrats are blocking any such move
  • It's the parents' fault, not the administration's
  • They are morally obliged to do things this way because the Bible says so
  • The camps are fine because, even though the children are being put in cages, they're not literally being treated like animals, so the word "cages" shouldn't be used
  • The camps are fine because any children seeming upset are just actors who have been coached and given scripts by Democrats
  • The camps are fine because it's just like being at summer camp
  • There actually is no policy that separates children from their parents

Did I miss any?
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[*] There are no such camps, you liberals are making this all up.

Yes, I am seeing that being said.
 
uke2se said:
They should be allowed to keep the family together, and if it is decided that they are to be deported, they should be deported as a family.

It's not rocket science. All that's needed is a teensy bit of empathy, which is why it seems like rocket science to conservatives.
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The really unresolvable divide in this country is between people who have empathy for the plight of others and those who don't. Look into just about any "liberal vs. conservative" issue, and that's what you'll find.
 
rdwight said:
Has any come out with exactly what they disagree with in regards to the Keep Families Together Act? Having trouble finding any specifics from any specific Senators.
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No senate Republican in his/her right mind would sign up to a Democratic Party bill (and I suspect vice-versa). Even if all Republicans agreed, they'd draft their own bill.
 
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rdwight said:
Has any come out with exactly what they disagree with in regards to the Keep Families Together Act? Having trouble finding any specifics from any specific Senators.
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In light of the documented history of human traffickers during the Obama era, the concern is that criminal elements will use children who are not their own to get into the country.
 
The Don said:
No senate Republican in his/er right mind would sign up to a Democratic Party bill (and I suspect vice-versa). Even if all Republicans agreed, they'd draft their own bill.
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Seems to be what Ted Cruz is doing. And I don't hate his bill either. But i would like to know any specifics of what issues conservatives have with the bill put forward currently. Again you point out the ******** optics these politicians play, looking to place blame, get credit and avoid solving an issue unless their side 'wins'.
 
The Don said:
No senate Republican in his/er right mind would sign up to a Democratic Party bill (and I suspect vice-versa). Even if all Republicans agreed, they'd draft their own bill.
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And there's no point in passing either bill unless they're veto-proof. The Deal Artist is holding the children hostage to get money to build his legacy: the world's biggest and most terrific monument to bigotry and stupidity. I dearly hope that if he succeeds, he puts TRUMP in 20-foot letters on it.
 
rdwight said:
Has any come out with exactly what they disagree with in regards to the Keep Families Together Act? Having trouble finding any specifics from any specific Senators.
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The only one I've heard even commented was the notorious RINO, Collins (ME). She, too is laying low, saying the bill is too broad and that she prefers a previous nearly bipartisan effort that Trump has refused to back because it didn't give him enough ransom for his wall.

As of this writing the bill now has 49 co-sponsors. Every Democratic Senator has signed on as co-sponsor. Not a single Republican.

A thousand points of light, my ass. I just need to see two of them. Two Republican Senators with balls.
 
The Big Dog said:
In light of the documented history of human traffickers during the Obama era, the concern is that criminal elements will use children who are not their own to get into the country.
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I've seen that mentioned but I don't really see anything in the bill that would harm that. It is literally an option within the bill to address that.

(3) The Chief Patrol Agent or the Area Port Director in their official and undelegated capacity, authorizes separation upon the recommendation by an agent or officer, based on a finding that—
(A) the child is a victim of trafficking or is at significant risk of becoming a victim of trafficking;
(B) there is a strong likelihood that the adult is not the parent or legal guardian of the child; or
(C) the child is in danger of abuse or neglect at the hands of the parent or legal guardian, or is a danger to themselves or others.
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Edit to add - If anyone wants to see the bill proposed Keeping Families Together Act
 
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The Big Dog said:
https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/1009085028226265088
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This is more of the stuff I hate. It's a talking point. Show me the meat of it. Point to provisions you disagree with and how they relate to that (him. not you). And then use this thing called conversation to have any provisions you disagree with changed. If some obvious loophole is there that you need plugged to protect children, say it. Point it out. Let the democrats know they have your vote if x,y,z is fixed. Otherwise it's simply 'democrat bill, no go' to me.
 
eeyore1954 said:
Am I wrong or do families that come to the border to seek asylum not get separated but those got caught coming across the border do?
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This was always a specific policy about asylum seekers.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-discussed-separating-moms-kids-deter-asylum-seekers-feb-n884371

Here are asylum seekers separated.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/07/mother-and-child-seeking-asylum-separated-in-the-name-of-deterring-immigration/

So that is perfectly accurate.
 
uke2se said:
They should be allowed to keep the family together, and if it is decided that they are to be deported, they should be deported as a family.

It's not rocket science. All that's needed is a teensy bit of empathy, which is why it seems like rocket science to conservatives.
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If it can be done logistically that is a much better option in my opinion.
 
eeyore1954 said:
If it can be done logistically that is a much better option in my opinion.
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You think it's because of logistics that families are separated? :boggled:

Or that logistics should be the reason for keeping families together? :boggled:
 
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