Trump immigrant family separation policy

LSSBB said:
It's their fault we're separating them?
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Exactly like it was the fault of those dirty jews on the St Louis trying to seek refuge here. We can't have illegal immigrants like that, good thing they wound up in the gas chambers.
 
theprestige said:
"legit asylum" begs the question.
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Yep remember sending the jews back to germany was a high point in america after all. Pretending they were "legit asylum" there is no such thing because they have to be an illegal immigrant first after all.
 
So let me see, the Republican defences of this policy so far are:

  • It's a law put in place by the Democrats and they are powerless to do things any differently
  • It can only be repealed by an act of Congress and the Democrats are blocking any such move
  • It's the parents' fault, not the administration's
  • They are morally obliged to do things this way because the Bible says so
  • The camps are fine because, even though the children are being put in cages, they're not literally being treated like animals, so the word "cages" shouldn't be used
  • The camps are fine because any children seeming upset are just actors who have been coached and given scripts by Democrats
  • The camps are fine because it's just like being at summer camp
  • There actually is no policy that separates children from their parents

Did I miss any?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
So let me see, the Republican defences of this policy so far are:

  • It's a law put in place by the Democrats and they are powerless to do things any differently
  • It can only be repealed by an act of Congress and the Democrats are blocking any such move
  • It's the parents' fault, not the administration's
  • They are morally obliged to do things this way because the Bible says so
  • The camps are fine because, even though the children are being put in cages, they're not literally being treated like animals, so the word "cages" shouldn't be used
  • The camps are fine because any children seeming upset are just actors who have been coached and given scripts by Democrats
  • The camps are fine because it's just like being at summer camp
  • There actually is no policy that separates children from their parents

Did I miss any?
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The bible tells us to do this.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
So let me see, the Republican defences of this policy so far are:

  • It's a law put in place by the Democrats and they are powerless to do things any differently
  • It can only be repealed by an act of Congress and the Democrats are blocking any such move
  • It's the parents' fault, not the administration's
  • They are morally obliged to do things this way because the Bible says so
  • The camps are fine because, even though the children are being put in cages, they're not literally being treated like animals, so the word "cages" shouldn't be used
  • The camps are fine because any children seeming upset are just actors who have been coached and given scripts by Democrats
  • The camps are fine because it's just like being at summer camp
  • There actually is no policy that separates children from their parents

Did I miss any?
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The Great Zaganza said:
You forgot:

  • they are all MS-13 animals, so where else but in cages are you supposed to keep them?
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ponderingturtle said:
The bible tells us to do this.
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The logger reason: Ha ha because it upsets lol libruls.
 
The Don said:
How is this even slightly surprising ?

The Trump Administration has worked hard to portray all Hispanics as dangerous gang-members and drug dealers and so those who are coming across the border (allegedly) illegally must be the most dangerous people in the world. This is necessary to protect the US because the DEMS have refused to allow Donald Trump to build his Mexico-funded wall.......:rolleyes:
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It wasn't really much in the way of "hard work" - equating nonwhite people with crime and violence is pretty standard US white supremacism. Dolt 45 is roughly the same as electing George Zimmerman - same violent racism, same imagined grievances, same habit of abusing women. And naturally, he surrounded himself with other white suprematists like Sessions, Miller, and Bannon.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The UN's top human rights official condemns the policy of separating families, calling it abuse
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The U.N. official Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein?

The guy who supports a global blasphemy law?
(“global blasphemy ban under human rights law, in the Human Rights Council (known as the U.N. Commission on Human Rights until 2006) and the General Assembly. During both of Ambassador Zeid’s periods as Jordan’s ambassador to the U.N., Jordan voted in favor of these resolutions when they were introduced at the General Assembly. “
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/26/the-scandal-of-ambassador-zeid/)

And is from Jordan? Who consider Palestinians born inside Jordan to be merely temporary residents?

And works at the U.N.? (Can’t even begin to list their humanitarian issues).

Yeah, count me as unimpressed by his interjection.
 
Giz said:
The U.N. official Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein?

The guy who supports a global blasphemy law?
(“global blasphemy ban under human rights law, in the Human Rights Council (known as the U.N. Commission on Human Rights until 2006) and the General Assembly. During both of Ambassador Zeid’s periods as Jordan’s ambassador to the U.N., Jordan voted in favor of these resolutions when they were introduced at the General Assembly. “
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/26/the-scandal-of-ambassador-zeid/)

And is from Jordan? Who consider Palestinians born inside Jordan to be merely temporary residents?

And works at the U.N.? (Can’t even begin to list their humanitarian issues).

Yeah, count me as unimpressed by his interjection.
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Perfect ad hominem.

Who would you be impressed by if he or she said rightfully that what the Trump administration is doing on the southern border is abuse?
 
Giz said:
The U.N. official Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein?

The guy who supports a global blasphemy law?
(“global blasphemy ban under human rights law, in the Human Rights Council (known as the U.N. Commission on Human Rights until 2006) and the General Assembly. During both of Ambassador Zeid’s periods as Jordan’s ambassador to the U.N., Jordan voted in favor of these resolutions when they were introduced at the General Assembly. “
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/26/the-scandal-of-ambassador-zeid/)

And is from Jordan? Who consider Palestinians born inside Jordan to be merely temporary residents?

And works at the U.N.? (Can’t even begin to list their humanitarian issues).

Yeah, count me as unimpressed by his interjection.
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Got any actual comment of if this policy is child abuse, I am sure it will be easy to make a same list about the Colleen Kraft head of the american society of pediatrics.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Got any actual comment of if this policy is child abuse, I am sure it will be easy to make a same list about the Colleen Kraft head of the american society of pediatrics.
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rdwight said:
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What do people think of Ted Cruz's outlined bill proposal above? How do you feel it compares to the Feinstein bill being proposed?
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On the surface, it seems reasonable. I'm not sure whether the fourteen day provision is a good one. It might require more time to evaluate a case fairly.
 
The Don said:
A couple of concerns spring immediately to mind:

Those judges will be appointed by the Trump Administration. The idea that they will be in any way impartial is laughable. It's authoritarianism 101, establish a series of kangaroo courts to apply your will while attempting to maintain a veneer of propriety.

Putting an arbitrary deadline on the processing of asylum claims will almost certainly result in decisions being rushed, particularly in the most critical of cases. Given that half of the judges will be recently appointed Trump Administration lackeys, it's removing the option of asylum altogether.
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Most of your issues are not the point that is being pushed back against. Child separation due to current policy is what people want changed. This addresses that point.

I will concede that the 14 day deadline has to be changed to allow exceptions for cases that require it. Possibly extended to something reasonably quick but not overwhelming to the system.

phiwum said:
On the surface, it seems reasonable. I'm not sure whether the fourteen day provision is a good one. It might require more time to evaluate a case fairly.
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Yea, I feel the same.
 
phiwum said:
On the surface, it seems reasonable. I'm not sure whether the fourteen day provision is a good one. It might require more time to evaluate a case fairly.
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Who cares about that? It isn't like we grant asylum for anything anymore. We happily send people back to their deaths like they are jews on the MS St Louis.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
So let me see, the Republican defences of this policy so far are:

  • It's a law put in place by the Democrats and they are powerless to do things any differently
  • It can only be repealed by an act of Congress and the Democrats are blocking any such move
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  • I feel the system really needs a wake up call in regards to law passage and the specifics of what is written. I am tired of laws being written and then having the worst of their intent given discretion to be enforced by whatever administration currently resides in power. Congress does need to do their job, not concede points they don't believe will be enforced and let bad laws sit on the books until someone decides to start using them.
 
rdwight said:
I feel the system really needs a wake up call in regards to law passage and the specifics of what is written. I am tired of laws being written and then having the worst of their intent given discretion to be enforced by whatever administration currently resides in power. Congress does need to do their job, not concede points they don't believe will be enforced and let bad laws sit on the books until someone decides to start using them.
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Sure, but this is still the Trump administration's fault for electing to use cruel laws. Let's never ever forget that.
 
rdwight said:
I feel the system really needs a wake up call in regards to law passage and the specifics of what is written. I am tired of laws being written and then having the worst of their intent given discretion to be enforced by whatever administration currently resides in power. Congress does need to do their job, not concede points they don't believe will be enforced and let bad laws sit on the books until someone decides to start using them.
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I am also frustrated with the history of half-solutions in regards to the illegal immigration problem over the last few decades, but being deliberately cruel to highlight the dysfunction of the process is still amoral. I don't buy that excuse anyway. Trump is being cruel to immigrants because his base wants cruelty to immigrants.
 
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