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The Trump Presidency VII

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Would it be OK to just torture the parents? Because that's what this is. There is no good reason for the separation policy, except to act as a deterrent by illustrating the U.S. is willing to torture people.

It's not done anywhere else and *faith leaders are not on board with this*.

One of the worst parts is that there is no clear procedure for reuniting families. Even if the parents wanted to take their children and leave the country, they can't. They are in the pipeline for an asylum hearing, but that takes weeks, and they can't find out where their kids is held. There is no procedure for allowing family conversations. Asylum seekers cannot present themselves at a port of entry because the ports are "closed." 3-, 4-, 5-year old kids are being told they'll have their day in court, but in the meantime, no, they can't see their mommy, can't talk to her. People are being deported without getting the kids back and what is their recourse? There is none. They have an order to leave; they don't know where their kids are, or even how to start. And all of this is complicated by the fact that the kids are being held by a completely different federal agency, Health & Human Services, vs. DHS.

They really ought to tattoo these kids, or microchip them, or something. Because how many 5-year-old are going to know how to find their parents? The government is offering no clarification on how these reunifications can take place.

Well certainly it might help people believe it's not worth fleeing El Salvador because the United States is worse. Torturing parents for no reason except that they can.

And through all this Trump blames Democrats. At least he knows it's a bad thing. Sessions is a straight-up sadist. Double down cubed. I hate to see this happen to more people but maybe it has to get to tens of thousands to reverse the policy.
 
CapelDodger said:
Out-sourcing is, of course, key to small government. But "licencing requirements" : requirements for what, exactly? Orphanages? Trump U?
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As I understand it:

Okay, first off, we *do* get unaccompanied minors who enter the country from far more brutal places in Central (or sometimes south) America. Southwest Key has, among other things, typically provided services for these children in particular, in the hopes of finding places for them to live as refugees and such.

The KKKeebler Elf and White Power Stephen's new policy of outright tearing families apart, remember, is new, and only hit the news very recently. And it's at this point a matter of doing the best for the kids - work with these white nationalists and segregationists, and help the kids, or refuse and let them be placed in far worse places?

...but I could easily be wrong here (and I would outright refuse and talk to the media about why instead)
 
CapelDodger said:
Inevitable, since there's been no planning or preparation for what is policy on a whim, and there's probably no staff available to do it anyway. It's called "small government".
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We don't have a small government.

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But "licencing requirements" : requirements for what, exactly? Orphanages? Trump U?
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I don't doubt that the nonprofits are reasonably good at straight-up child care. But without staffing and preparation, things are only going to get worse and more chaotic. You end up having problems with basic hygiene and could easily end up with Hepatitis A outbreaks etc. And there's always a chance workers will slip in who have not been properly vetted. Then it's open season on the children. Open season.

Won't someone in the #*($%& Trump administration think of the children.

I'm not ashamed to be an American or proud, I didn't have anything to do with it but if a voting majority of Americans are OK with this happening I really don't want to live here.
 
Mumbles said:
And it's at this point a matter of doing the best for the kids - work with these white nationalists and segregationists, and help the kids, or refuse and let them be placed in far worse places?
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At this point in the year there is a small army of people experienced in managing children who have a bit of time on their hands because it's June. School administrators and teachers, who are experienced and pre-vetted, could be called in to set up some basic curriculum, a structure for the day. But I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better - if it gets better.
 
Craig4 said:
Oh an typical for a Trump supporter, we see the coward's retreat. Were those children accompanied or unaccompanied?
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There were teenagers who came alone and are probably used to being on their own. Back in the '30s my 13-year-old mom was left in charge of the baby when the rest of the family went to another state to pick fruit. But these are elementary-age kids or younger. They do not have any kind of interim guardian or advocate; they are just wards of the state waiting for their own asylum hearings.
 
Minoosh said:
At this point in the year there is a small army of people experienced in managing children who have a bit of time on their hands because it's June. School administrators and teachers, who are experienced and pre-vetted, could be called in to set up some basic curriculum, a structure for the day. But I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better - if it gets better.
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This is a great idea for an administration that actually cares about the children's well-being. Dolt 45's goal, however, is to harm nonwhite people as much as he possibly can, so that his racist fans cheer. And Sessions and Miller simply hate anyone who isn't white, period.

Understand this, and you'll see what they've done to date as the natural results that they hope to achieve. As I said before, this is a natural middle point - with the end point being to simply kill people of the "wrong" races.
 
I'm just going to throw this in because I thought it was interesting. A Guatemalan male who was brought to the U.S. illegally when he was five and grew up in southern California. At age 19 he had a HS diploma and was working in an auto repair shop, with plans to save money and open his own shop. One evening he was pulled over by the police for "unsafe lane change." A small amount of marijuana was found in the car. Yes, he was deported. I found his description of life as a deportee very interesting.

He said, somewhat to his surprise, most Guatemalans shunned him as they do most deportees. He said that's because they think, you were deported because back in the U.S., either you were a gang member, a drug addict or both. He found his English skills were valuable. He got a job in a call center. His employer told him, "Our callers are mostly Americans and you've got a southern California accent. That's awesome!" One afternoon on his way home -- a bus and then a two or three block walk -- he was accosted by a local gang. They knew he had been deported from Cal and asked what gang he had been with, "back in LA." He told them he had never been in a gang. They thought he was lying. They made him strip his clothes off in order to check him for gang tattoos. He really wasn't in a gang and he had no tattoos. He admits to being terrified by this incident and now says he goes from his apartment to work and then straight home after work.

He says the gangs in Guatemala, most associated with ones in LA, are much more violent.
 
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Minoosh said:
One of the worst parts is that there is no clear procedure for reuniting families.
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phiwum said:
Are you sure about that? I haven't heard any such thing.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
There have been a few. In one case it took more than a month for the parent to get the child back after the parent was deported.
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A difference now is that separating the kids is being justified by charging the parents with crimes, instead of a civil violation. That means the whole criminal justice system, trials, maybe prison. All while the kids rot away in Trump Camps.
 
logger said:
And he/she quit? I say is fake news!
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Antar Davidson is a male. There is a photograph of him in the article. You claim fake news without even reading the article. Why would you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously? I sure don't.
 
phiwum said:
Are you sure about that? I haven't heard any such thing.
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From Texas Monthly

We know there are more parents who are being deported without their child, without any process or information on how to get their child back.
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It is a little unclear what Anne Chandler of the Children’s Border Project means when she says this:

To date, most of our work with that issue of family separation has been working with the parents in the days when they are being separated: when they’re in the federal courthouse being convicted; partnering with the federal public defenders; and then in the adult detention center, as they have no idea how to communicate or speak to their children or get them back before being deported. ...

Sometimes the parents are deported. Kids are in New York and Miami, and we’ve got parents being sent to Tacoma, Washington, and California.
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So I don't know what that is saying, I don't know why parents would be sent to Tacoma, and whether deported means physically returned to their country of origin, or are being held after getting a deportation order.

This is another thing a lot of people don't think about; if you're being deported to El Salvador someone has to fly you there, or put you on a boat, or something. I'm not sure we can just ship them into Mexico if they're not Mexican.
 
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It's only happened a 'few times?' Hey give The Dunce a chance, this just started!

The Border Patrol was waiting as they made their way from the border on May 26, and soon mother and son were in a teeming detention center in southern Texas. The next part unfolded so swiftly that, even now, Ms. Ortiz cannot grasp it: Anthony was sent to a shelter for migrant children. And she was put on a plane back to Guatemala. “I am completely devastated,” Ms. Ortiz, 25, said in one of a series of video interviews last week from her family home in Guatemala. Her eyes swollen from weeping and her voice subdued, she said she had no idea when or how she would see her son again. Link
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Trebuchet said:
A difference now is that separating the kids is being justified by charging the parents with crimes, instead of a civil violation. That means the whole criminal justice system, trials, maybe prison. All while the kids rot away in Trump Camps.
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I don't think it's inherently necessary to separate the families even if parents are charged. And I'm not sure you're charged in tandem with your asylum hearing or not.

The charge is a misdemeanor.

That Texas Monthly article did a good job looking at how many different scenarios there are. Most people this organization saw were not coming through ports of entry (they were told a bridge leading to the port of entry was closed, so they took a chance with a raft). Parents get an 800 number, but you can't dial the 800 number from the detention center. So if the government is ready to ship you out of the country, you don't have an opportunity to try to find the kid(s).

If you are Mexican, I don't know if you have the option of say, pleading guilty, getting your kids and being bused over to the Mexican side. If you're not Mexican, I don't think they can send you to Mexico.
 
acbytesla said:
It shows that they praise Jesus not, only Aynd Rand.

Logger is right. The bible says to obey the law. It also says to have compassion and love for others. That we treat each other with the utmost kindness and love. I can't imagine being proud of a country that would take children away from their parents for these offenses.

I never thought I would say it. But I am now ashamed of being an American.
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They aren’t taking children away, they are processing them.

Your side is getting so desperate.
 
logger said:
They aren’t taking children away, they are processing them.

Your side is getting so desperate.
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That's just a lie. They are separating children from their parents. To say otherwise is a total despicable lie. But this is hardly noteworthy of a party led by the biggest liar any of us have ever encountered.
 
Upchurch said:
It is a mistake to confuse far-right fascism with Christianity, but far from your only mistake.
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No, it’s a mistake to call someone a far right fascist when clearly they aren’t. But that isn’t the first time you’ve made that mistake.

You clearly don’t even know what the word means.
 
Mumbles said:
This is a great idea for an administration that actually cares about the children's well-being. Dolt 45's goal, however, is to harm nonwhite people as much as he possibly can, so that his racist fans cheer. And Sessions and Miller simply hate anyone who isn't white, period.

Understand this, and you'll see what they've done to date as the natural results that they hope to achieve. As I said before, this is a natural middle point - with the end point being to simply kill people of the "wrong" races.
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I’m sure most of you think this is completely reasonable. Lol
 
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