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The Trump Presidency VII

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NoahFence said:
Well, it seems there actually is something that you agree with in regards to an Obama policy. Cool.
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Don't be silly, it was bad then, but it is good now because [Loser leftists, we control everything, Conservative outhouse links, LOL Hilarious] (choose any combination you like).
 
"There is no law mandating the separation of families, contrary to Trump’s claims.

However, the Trump administration has introduced a "zero-tolerance" policy calling for the prosecution of all individuals who illegally enter the United States.

This policy has the effect of separating parents from their children when they enter the country together, because parents are referred for prosecution and the children are placed in the custody of a sponsor, such as a relative or foster home, or held in a shelter.

More than 650 children were separated from their parents during a two-week period in May as a result of the new approach being implemented.

As the Trump administration argues, referring immigrants for prosecution is not new policy. But prior administrations did not enforce the practice the way Trump has.

Before Trump came into office, families were detained together, sent back immediately or paroled into the country, said Peter Margulies, an immigration law and national security law professor at Roger Williams University School of Law. Now, prosecution is happening across the board and has become the uniform policy.

"The policy has ramped up substantially with the new administration," Margulies said. "Making that a staple of immigration policy is a new feature."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ou-need-know-about-trump-administrations-zer/
 
This is vile.

Davidson quit this week after being a youth care worker at the Tucson shelter, Estrella del Norte, for just a few months. He decided to speak out about his experiences there in hopes of improving a system often shielded from public scrutiny. His comments in a telephone interview offer a rare look into the operation of a migrant shelter.

Davidson said he became disillusioned after the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy began sending the shelter not only children who had crossed the border unaccompanied by adults, but also those separated from their parents.

The caseload is straining a facility he described as understaffed and unequipped to deal with children experiencing trauma, such as the three Brazilians. During his time at the shelter, children were running away, screaming, throwing furniture and attempting suicide, Davidson said. Several were being monitored this week because they were at risk of running away, self-harm and suicide, records show.
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surrogate said:
Don't be silly, it was bad then, but it is good now because [Loser leftists, we control everything, Conservative outhouse links, LOL Hilarious] (choose any combination you like).
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I'll just take it as the latest bit of confirmation that logger's a white supremacist. Not that we needed any, since he's already shown a serious hatred for nonwhite people.

Speaking of white supremacists, guess which ghoulish hateful man wants credit for Trump's concentration camps?

White House adviser Stephen Miller was the driving force behind President Trump’s decision to enforce the family separation policy at U.S. borders, according to The New York Times. Unlike Trump, who has publicly claimed to hate the practice, Miller told the Times it was a “simple decision.” “No nation can have the policy that whole classes of people are immune from immigration law or enforcement. … The message is that no one is exempt from immigration law,” he was quoted as saying. The immigration hardliner had argued in recent months for “zero tolerance” policies and a new way to end the common practice of “catch and release,” which allowed illegal immigrants to be released into the country while their cases were being processed. Miller also reportedly pushed Trump and other White House officials to begin using deterrence policies, and after border numbers spiked in April, he was said to have been instrumental in convincing Trump to resort to the “nuclear option” now so widely being condemned as inhumane.
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This is why I list him, specifically, as one person who would need to be removed from the White House immediately in order for Dolt 45's claims to be "the least racist man" to even merit the slightest consideration. Until then, he'll just keep crashing from one bigoted hateful policy to the next.
 
Minoosh said:
Religious leaders are not on board with this separating families stunt. And I suspect logger is just winding you all up. By his own admission, that's his usual agenda.
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It shows that they praise Jesus not, only Aynd Rand.

Logger is right. The bible says to obey the law. It also says to have compassion and love for others. That we treat each other with the utmost kindness and love. I can't imagine being proud of a country that would take children away from their parents for these offenses.

I never thought I would say it. But I am now ashamed of being an American.
 
RolandRat said:
To be fair, it is very Christian: "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." Psalm 137:9
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That's old testament and most Christians have been trying to live down that verse and many others. As a former one, I know. Most Christians try and say, it's a new covenant now. I think that is a copout, but I understand the sentiment.
 
Lurch said:
I'd like to know this about the Trumpettes: How widely travelled? Ever get out of town? County? State? Country? Would there be a correlation whereby the more fanatical are those who've traveled least?

I happen to think that increased exposure to a wider horizon in one's world tends to foster and enhance knowledge, understanding, perspective, tolerance, wisdom.
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A lot of the more outspoken internet conservatives claim to be independently wealthy and know people from all over the world, and it is this worldly experience that allowed them to pull themselves up from their bootstraps without any government assistance after growing up in poverty.

I've heard the trope more times than I care to count.

The usefulness of the trope hinges in anonymity, of course.
 
logger said:
Perhaps you can explain why parents would do this to there own children?

Could it be that it’s not as terrible as the dishonest people on your side say it is?

Concentration camps? Lol that is hilarious!
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Few of these are sent by their parents alone. But it happens. Try living in someone else's shoes. Lots of these parents are told that their children are being taken away for showers and baths and are not reunited.
 
acbytesla said:
My government is doing this. Like it or not this is the actions of the good old USA.
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I did not vote for that government. I am active politically to support and oppose candidates respectively.

I am not ashamed of myself.

You can feel responsible if you want to, obviously. Are there things you wish you had done to stop this?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I did not vote for that government. I am active politically to support and oppose candidates respectively.

I am not ashamed of myself.

You can feel responsible if you want to, obviously. Are there things you wish you had done to stop this?
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I said I was for the first time ashamed of being an American. I'm not really ashamed of myself. I have friends that when we travel abroad and are asked what country do they come from answer Canada instead of the US because people are known to have a more benign reaction. I know this to be true, but I always say the US because despite of its flaws, I have always considered myself both lucky and proud to be an American.
 
newyorkguy said:
That's the whole problem. For many of the people who immigrate illegally, probably most, there isn't any legal way.
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logger said:
And surprisingly many are able to get it done. The others just want to steal it. I find it interesting that their motives to the left are considered pure everytime. This is the left when they need a new underclass for votes.
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This is one of the most mindless arguments you've ever made and that's saying a lot! Hilarious! Not surprisingly many are able to get it done if you understand who they are. From my previous link:
To come to the United States for employment purposes—either temporarily or permanently—foreign workers must generally have a job lined up with an eligible employer who will sponsor them...Most of the qualifying professions for permanent immigration require high levels of education and professional experience, such as scientists, professors, and multinational executives.
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The rest of your argument is just noise. Even George W. Bush once defended the motives of people with families who immigrate illegally. Of course no one contends every last illegal immigrant has "pure motives," do you even believe that people think that? Or is this just 'throw everything against the wall and see what sticks?' A new underclass to vote Democratic? Illegal immigrants don't vote.
 
Not much detail, and I don't think is directly related to this separation policy, but:

Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar said one of his off-duty detention officers has been arrested following accusations that he repeatedly sexually assaulted a 4-year-old.

Salazar said the victim's mother reported the sexual assault Saturday night after the child made an outcry to her mom. It's believed the sexual assault had been going on for the past few months, possibly years. Sheriff Salazar said the victim's mother is an undocumented immigrant and Nunez allegedly threatened her with deportation if she reported the sexual assault.
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Linky.

A lot of details from an ex-employee of a shelter. There are alleged problems with staffing, monitoring, adults posing as children, and more:

The caseload is straining a facility he described as understaffed and unequipped to deal with children experiencing trauma, such as the three Brazilians. During his time at the shelter, children were running away, screaming, throwing furniture and attempting suicide, Davidson said. Several were being monitored this week because they were at risk of running away, self-harm and suicide, records show.

A spokeswoman for Southwest Key, the Austin-based nonprofit operating the shelter, disputed those allegations Wednesday and said the shelter meets state licensing requirements, including for staffing ratios and training.

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“We are very excited about this opportunity to show the world the incredible work our employees are doing to care for the children we serve,” Juan Sanchez wrote, noting Southwest Key had hired 700 new employees who will complete training soon. “I know you’ve been working overtime due to the surge of kids in our shelters. Please hold on just a little while longer. Relief is coming soon.”
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Linky.
 
RolandRat said:
To be fair, it is very Christian: "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." Psalm 137:9
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To be fair, vanishingly few Christians are familiar with that OT verse, but all are familiar with "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". The Golden Rule which is far from uniquely Christian, but their salesmen always get it up and central. It sells, like "Blessed are the meek", who don't even try to get their families out of whatever Central American hell-hole they've been born into. That's God's way of blessing them with no effort required on their part, just as God chose to bless logger with US citizenship with no effort on his part.


All the religion I need is right there in the Golden Rule.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
A lot of details from an ex-employee of a shelter. There are alleged problems with staffing, monitoring, adults posing as children, and more:
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Inevitable, since there's been no planning or preparation for what is policy on a whim, and there's probably no staff available to do it anyway. It's called "small government".


Linky.
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"A spokeswoman for Southwest Key, the Austin-based nonprofit operating the shelter, disputed those allegations Wednesday and said the shelter meets state licensing requirements, including for staffing ratios and training."
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Out-sourcing is, of course, key to small government. But "licencing requirements" : requirements for what, exactly? Orphanages? Trump U?


... noting Southwest Key had hired 700 new employees who will complete training soon. “I know you’ve been working overtime due to the surge of kids in our shelters. Please hold on just a little while longer. Relief is coming soon.”
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Out-source it and they will recruit. Or something.


Forgive my cynicism : it's that or heartbreak.
 
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