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The other crime wave in Chicago

Do you know how deep the water is in the lakes we're talking about? In Copenhagen the lakes don't appear to be very deep near the shore. I've seen people fall as well as being pushed into the lakes and apparently able to stand on the bottom with their heads above the water.
That obviously wasn't the case in the lake where the 19-year-old drowned. (By the way, it's very unusual that a 19-year-old Dane can't swim.)

While we enjoy hearing about tales out of Denmark, I note that there were twice as many murders in Chicago in July of 2017 as there were in Denmark in 2017.

So maybe a bit of a difference between of wilding groups of disadvantaged youths from street gangs in Chicago and hijinks in Copenhagen.
 
You seriously haven't heard about flash mobs? This kind of thing has gone on for years. Here they are in Maryland in 2012. Here in Houston in 2011. Here in Brazil. Here in Las Vegas in 2011.

I enjoyed your dramatic reading of the event, but you forgot to bring up race again.
These kinds of "flash mob" events don't happen in every city. They happen in cities that happen to be populated with large numbers of black people who happen to participate in these rampages.

But it's not racial. And White people deserve it anyway.
 
I'm seeing more correlation with gender and age than I am with race. The assailants were not all black but they were all male, as far as I can tell. They were also all young.

Not saying girls/young women are incapable of this kind of behavior but it seems to be much more common among young men. As far as "teens." That is a strange term, somewhat along the lines of "youths." It's a kind of media shorthand for ... "we don't know their ages but they aren't children." The long version is "assailants who appeared to be in their late teens or early 20s." Not boys but not quite men either. It's an aggressive age, especially in males.
 
Yes, I've read three of his book. Specifically where do you think I've mischaracterized his views?


Here:

On this view, the ones responsible, and the only ones with any moral agency are the racist white oppressors. This is basically one aspect of the Ta-Nahesi Coates view of race.


If you've actually "read three of his book" (words? lines? pages?), it shouldn't be too hard for you to present us with some good quotations.
 
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While we enjoy hearing about tales out of Denmark, I note that there were twice as many murders in Chicago in July of 2017 as there were in Denmark in 2017.

So maybe a bit of a difference between of wilding groups of disadvantaged youths from street gangs in Chicago and hijinks in Copenhagen.


Yes, there's a very big difference!

And you forgot my question: "Do you know how deep the water is in the lakes we're talking about?" (I'm not asking about the depth as such, but the depth near the shore where people were pushed into the lake.)
 
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(sees title and OP, peeks in assuming bad intentions)

(reads thread, nods head at same century-old racist crap)

Yep.

And hey, look, it's a remarkably uncharitable misreading of TNC! That's new for this forum in particular. I mean, it's old hat among commentators and the like, but I haven't seen it here before.

It's worth noting that much of TNC's work stresses the moral obligations of black people in particular - his first book focuses almost entirely on this, as does his writing on Kanye West's recent ignorant embrace of the president (how did West do this, while never having even heard of the muslim ban?). Also, his main objection to people who tell him to "stop writing about race" is that many people who say this (Thomas Sowell being a prominent example) spend a lot of time also writing about race, and what they really want is for him to abandon the community that made him what he is today - which he regards as a demand that he himself be wildly unethical.

I'm seeing more correlation with gender and age than I am with race. The assailants were not all black but they were all male, as far as I can tell. They were also all young.

Not saying girls/young women are incapable of this kind of behavior but it seems to be much more common among young men. As far as "teens." That is a strange term, somewhat along the lines of "youths." It's a kind of media shorthand for ... "we don't know their ages but they aren't children." The long version is "assailants who appeared to be in their late teens or early 20s." Not boys but not quite men either. It's an aggressive age, especially in males.

Teen males, in groups, with little else to do, often do cause trouble. Fun fact, quite a bit of backlash in the 70s to "cruising" is attributable to this as well.

I'll wait to see if this is any different than any other "My goodness, the negro youth are riled up again!". Such as "Wilding", "the Knockout Game", "Stop Snitching" (both due to the obvious witness intimidation, and the intentional blindness to the blue wall of silence), Trayvon Martin's supposed thugishness, the "rioters and looters" that people think "destroyed" Ferguson and Baltimore (they're both still around, and both were caused by mass police violence and intimidation).

Until there are actual, reliable numbers, I assume the same "black brute" stereotype is in play.
 
You seriously haven't heard about flash mobs? This kind of thing has gone on for years. Here they are in Maryland in 2012. Here in Houston in 2011. Here in Brazil. Here in Las Vegas in 2011.

I enjoyed your dramatic reading of the event, but you forgot to bring up race again.

These kinds of "flash mob" events don't happen in every city. They happen in cities that happen to be populated with large numbers of black people who happen to participate in these rampages.

But it's not racial. And White people deserve it anyway.


When you're right, you're right! These kinds of flash mobs actually don't appear to happen in my city. I searched in vain for flash mob+copenhagen+train but only came up with this:


I spotted only two black persons, not particularly young, and I assume that they must have been very disappointed that there was no lake or organized crime nearby! They could at least have tried to push somebody in front of a train! (It can't possibly have anything to do with this: Income Inequality in Denmark (Wikipedia). Unfortunately, the trend is going the wrong way so it's probably just a question of time before we see crime flash mobs here as well.)


ETA: If you have the time, CaptainHowdy, would you please answer my questions?!
 
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This is another one of those situations where i feel like people need to realize that numbers matter. 100-200 teen-ish(?) age people appearing borderline criminal? Are you honestly serious? To get an idea, Chicago probably has around 500k people between 15-24. Am i to really get nervous about the actions of a couple hundred? Should I make generalizations? Maybe we are being too soft on the other 99.9% etc that aren't behaving in such matter that we have to group them in and complain about xyz.

****, I could have 100 people at my house for a party with a couple hours notice when i was a teenager. Getting half the numbers complained about for a brawl wasn't really an issue, and sure as **** didn't make news. It is all just funny to me.
 
****, I could have 100 people at my house for a party with a couple hours notice when i was a teenager. Getting half the numbers complained about for a brawl wasn't really an issue, and sure as **** didn't make news. It is all just funny to me.
Aah, the good old days ...
 
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This is another one of those situations where i feel like people need to realize that numbers matter. 100-200 teen-ish(?) age people appearing borderline criminal? Are you honestly serious? To get an idea, Chicago probably has around 500k people between 15-24. Am i to really get nervous about the actions of a couple hundred? Should I make generalizations? Maybe we are being too soft on the other 99.9% etc that aren't behaving in such matter that we have to group them in and complain about xyz.

****, I could have 100 people at my house for a party with a couple hours notice when i was a teenager. Getting half the numbers complained about for a brawl wasn't really an issue, and sure as **** didn't make news. It is all just funny to me.

Really, you could get 100 gang bangers to swarm the tourist area of your city, overwhelm the police resulting in the take over of your public transportation system in a couple of hours? Holy cow!

:rolleyes:
 
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but we can't use "thugs".

Anyone can use it all they want. I'm just letting y'all know that some code words are rather obvious. What people can't do is use it to mean "black people", and not have anyone point out the openly racist stereotype involved. It's kinda like calling a black person a "dindu" in that way.

And given that people have been using this exact stereotype in on this board going back to at least Trayvon Martin's murder to label black people "thugs" for things like walking around, making fraternity hand signs, or wearing various clothing styles, this field has been heavily mined. So, folks, watch your step!
 
Anyone can use it all they want. I'm just letting y'all know that some code words are rather obvious. What people can't do is use it to mean "black people", and not have anyone point out the openly racist stereotype involved. It's kinda like calling a black person a "dindu" in that way.

And given that people have been using this exact stereotype in on this board going back to at least Trayvon Martin's murder to label black people "thugs" for things like walking around, making fraternity hand signs, or wearing various clothing styles, this field has been heavily mined. So, folks, watch your step!

"On April 28, 2015, President Barack Obama referred to a collection of citizens from Baltimore, Maryland as “criminals and thugs”

:thumbsup:
 
Really, you could get 100 gang bangers to swarm the tourist area of your city, overwhelm the police resulting in the take over of your public transportation system in a couple of hours? Holy cow!

:rolleyes:

Again, the sources you cite and your argument are not agreeing with each other. You have never been in a place with 100 rowdy late teen/early 20's men with some doing 'borderline criminal' (whatever that means) behavior? I'd be surprised.

And again, 100 people exhibiting bad behavior is a minuscule example to try to generalize from. It's like your example of people being pushed into the lake, and the report you cite talks about a group of 4-5 people doing it. Wow. We should all be so worried about that. In Chicago. Because that is the dangerous stuff there.
 
Again, the sources you cite and your argument are not agreeing with each other. You have never been in a place with 100 rowdy late teen/early 20's men with some doing 'borderline criminal' (whatever that means) behavior? I'd be surprised.

And again, 100 people exhibiting bad behavior is a minuscule example to try to generalize from. It's like your example of people being pushed into the lake, and the report you cite talks about a group of 4-5 people doing it. Wow. We should all be so worried about that. In Chicago. Because that is the dangerous stuff there.

:confused: You were the one who claimed it was "borderline criminal." I am showing it was it was a flat out criminal orgy.
 
:confused: You were the one who claimed it was "borderline criminal." I am showing it was it was a flat out criminal orgy.

Your sources stated that the police called it 'borderline criminal'. You have not shown it is a 'criminal orgy'(whatever that means). Your sources flat out do not match your rhetoric.

From the Chicago Tribune you linked -

“They came down here specifically to cause problems,” Deputy Chief Al Nagode said. “They were running in and out of traffic, they were confronting different groups, they were running into businesses doing different activities that were borderline criminal, mostly nuisance, so the officers have to work that fine line of, do we (go) out there to arrest somebody.”

“A lot of it is the nuisance that they’re doing. It’s part of what we get with teens,” Nagode said. “The resources it would take me to lock up 100 kids who were fighting would be tremendous, so we have to mitigate, stop the problem and do what’s necessary to make (everyone) safe."

And you continue to ignore how few people 100 is to make generalizations from here. Don't think anyone condones the behavior but it's really just an angle for the police to ask for additional overtime and officer recruits. It's not really to stop these groups from behaving this way. It's to stop them from behaving this way in the good areas. The tourist areas. The money spots.
 

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