The other crime wave in Chicago

[The Big Dog]

Yes, 4 or 5 young men pushing a few people in a lake is definitely my idea of a criminal orgy.

Uh huh.

Did you just read the one article then?

Huh.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/05...onsible-for-water-tower-brawl-saturday-night/

 

[The Big Dog]

More stories, different weekend. Video too.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/05/29/brawling-teen-mob/

 

[The Big Dog]

been going on for a long while

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Hundreds-of-Teens-Mob-Pedestrians-in-the-Loop-200755191.html

300-400 that time.

 

[The Big Dog]

Here is a summary, shots fired, and look at that vicious stomp, lots more news articles about the disadvantaged youths committing actual crimes.

http://www.cwbchicago.com/2018/05/downtown-overworked-cops-battling-mag.html

 

[uke2se]

Thread started so OP could be called racist, thus furthering persecution complex. In shocking turn of events, nobody calls him racist - mainly because there's no need to.

 

[The Big Dog]

Thread started so OP could be called racist, thus furthering persecution complex. In shocking turn of events, nobody calls him racist - mainly because there's no need to.

While I of course disagree with the first sentence, I fully agree that there is no need, reason or basis to accuse me of being a racist, so thanks for that.

(I actually started the thread because I had an unfortunate (albeit minor) encounter with some of the disadvantaged youths the other evening)

 

[dann]

"Do you know how deep the water is in the lakes we're talking about?" (I'm not asking about the depth as such, but the depth near the shore where people were pushed into the lake.)

TBD won't answer my question. Does anybody else know?

 

[The Big Dog]

TBD won't answer my question. Does anybody else know?

well, it seems to be a bit of an odd thing to focus on.

In the area, it is a concrete shelf that depending on the wind and waves (and the waves were big that day) from 5-7 feet deep.

here is a photo on a flat day

http://laurabethkoch.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-concrete-jungle.html

 

[sackett]

An old, obvious point

...The problem is class, the problem is poverty....

Yes, an old point, well established and certainly always understood by members of the lower classes -- and I would say that the lower your class origin, the more painfully obvious it all is.

Hell, a cur dog should be able to understand it.

 

[The Big Dog]

Yes, an old point, well established and certainly always understood by members of the lower classes -- and I would say that the lower your class origin, the more painfully obvious it all is.

Hell, a cur dog should be able to understand it.

Golly, when you put it that way, that guy who was stomping someone lying in the gutter is practically innocent.

Stomp on disadvantaged youths, it is a class thing donchaknow.

 

[dann]

well, it seems to be a bit of an odd thing to focus on.

The question is relevant because, depending on the depth, pushing somebody into a lake may be considered to be a fairly innocent prank or, as in the case of the 19-year-old Dane, life-threatening.

In the area, it is a concrete shelf that depending on the wind and waves (and the waves were big that day) from 5-7 feet deep.

Even if I couldn't swim, personally I wouldn't have a problem with 5 feet, but I would with 7, and of course people who are less than 6 feet tall would have problems even without waves.

here is a photo on a flat day

http://laurabethkoch.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-concrete-jungle.html

Looks nice, but it's hard to tell from the photo how deep (and dangerous) it is.

Since Denmark isn't very big and is surrounded by water on all sides, you can usually get to a beach in less than 30 minutes, which tends to make most people comfortable with playing in the water and even being thrown into the water - at least when it's hot.
Of course, if you're fully dressed and on your way somewhere, it might be extremely inconvenient and also perceived as threatening if strangers do that to you, but there are too many things about the specific situation that aren't clear to me.

 

[dann]

Golly, when you put it that way, that guy who was stomping someone lying in the gutter is practically innocent.

Did anybody say so?!

Stomp on disadvantaged youths, it is a class thing donchaknow.

I think you forgot a couple of commas, but I get your point.

My point: If people are treated like ****, they tend to misbehave, and a few of them will go to extremes. That's no excuse, it's an explanation for what's happening. If you actually appreciate the inequality that the poor are subjected to, you'll tend to condemn rather than explain, and it also provides you with a good Christian conscience that turns the relationship of cause and effect upside down: These people obviously deserve to be treated in the way that has turned them into the kind of people that stomp on "someone lying in the gutter," right?!
And there's also no reason to distinguish between them. They're all that kind of people!

 

[Minoosh]

It's getting late have you seen my mates
Ma tell me when the boys get here
It's seven o'clock and I want to rock
Want to get a belly full of beer
My old man's drunker than a barrel full of monkeys
And my old lady she don't care
My sister looks cute in her braces and boots
A handful of grease in her hair
Oh, don't give us none of your aggravation
We had it with your discipline
Oh, Saturday night's alright for fighting
Get a little action in
Get about as oiled as a diesel train
Gonna set this dance alight
'Cause Saturday night's the night I like
Saturday night's alright alright alright, ooh
Well they're packed pretty tight in here tonight
I'm looking for a dolly who'll see me right
I may use a little muscle to get what I need
I may sink a little drink and shout out she's with me ...

Elton John, Bernie Taupin

Yeah, a culture of brawling, can't say it's not a problem because it is - but I also know young people put on these displays sometimes. At every high school I've been at administrators have to take over lunch duty keeping a close eye on students who are basically fenced in, in scenes unfortunately reminiscent of a jailyard, because the more "eyes on" the more peaceful things stay, and I have seen students stage fights - racially motivated fights - just to provoke a reaction from adults and to make sure it gets onto someone's iPhone for uploading on to the P (for Punk) Network. It's a form of tribalized trolling and certainly there is the potential for serious injury. And yeah I'd steer clear of these folks no matter what race, don't engage, "mobs" do stupid things.

 

[mgidm86]

I don't know any poor people who do things like this (what makes people think they are poor anyways?):

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article212490534.html

100s of "teens" gather to watch fights at a local business, all arranged on Facebook, complete with a gun shot. Gang stuff, but who gets in trouble? The cop for calling them thugs and animals which is exactly - exactly - what the people who did this are acting like.

"Going to the Village at Sandhill's (sic) to watch fights, that is gang and thug mentality," commented Tessier, who's been with the sheriff's department for nearly 20 years.

Let's not hurt the poor tykes feelings! Oh noooo! F that.

And no arrests? I'm not surprised, my friend was jumped by a gang of six "teens" and hurt pretty badly. The cops let the one attacker go that they'd held at the scene. My friend is a 105 pound white girl and she was beat up by black men and women just for her phone and purse. Kicked in the head until unconscious. That's sick. If they hadn't been stopped by someone?

She had a concussion and was x-rayed for fear of a broken jaw (wasn't broken). Kicked in the head by grown men. What do you call that? Aw he's just poor, and don't you dare call him a thug!

Idiots.

A SFPD cop friend tells me "we get too much heat if we arrest too many of the wrong people these days." Gotta bring down those numbers so the federal funds keep coming in. I mean they let this person go after beating and robbing my friend and she was caught red-handed. Sounds plausible considering everything I've seen lately. Politics.

No wonder these teens seem so bold these days. Keep making excuses and we'll keep seeing this stuff. This is why a lot of people have had enough. It isn't because Trump, it's because there really is a big problem here and people are fed up with the PC kid-gloves bullcrap.

I think I'm more angry sometimes with people's reactions to all of this than I am for the people committing the crimes, because it's actually making it worse. They know they won't get arrested.

In fact it's white people who are the problem! Starbucks, Yale, BBQ....give me a gawdamn break people.

This is a great example of political correctness gone haywire.

We'll keep getting angry at Starbucks employees and making every excuse we can while this stuff gets worse.

We will feel sympathy for the gunmen and try and figure out what the rest of us are doing wrong. What we are doing wrong?

 

[dann]

Kicked in the head by grown men. What do you call that? Aw he's just poor, and don't you dare call him a thug!
(...)
This is a great example of political correctness gone haywire.

Yes, that is a great example of political correctness gone haywire, but it's your own made-up example, isn't it?!
Did anybody actually say about a grown man kicking a 105-pound girl that "he's just poor"?!

 

[theprestige]

Yes, that is a great example of political correctness gone haywire, but it's your own made-up example, isn't it?!
Did anybody actually say about a grown man kicking a 105-pound girl that "he's just poor"?!

I bet we wouldn't have to look very far, to find someone wiling to argue that poverty causes violence, and that his poverty is to blame for his violent behavior.

 

[The Big Dog]

Time for an update, the other crime wave has been going on all summer (the original crime wave has been racking up an impressive body count too, however)

Yesterday in WrigleyVille right after a Cub's game.

http://www.cwbchicago.com/2018/08/new-videos-show-teen-mob-attacks-in.html

In other news, the reverends are marching to close the streets near O'Hare because of course they are.

 

[ahhell]

Thread started so OP could be called racist, thus furthering persecution complex. In shocking turn of events, nobody calls him racist - mainly because there's no need to.

It does seem fairly self evident.

My first thought on reading the op is that this is one of those BS moral panics that the media get into occasionally, "You wan't believe what teens are up to these days, the story after this break!"

I'm still not convinced this is a serious story and not just a few scattered events.

 

[The Big Dog]

It does seem fairly self evident.

My first thought on reading the op is that this is one of those BS moral panics that the media get into occasionally, "You wan't believe what teens are up to these days, the story after this break!"

I'm still not convinced this is a serious story and not just a few scattered events.

Y'all up in Wrigley yesterday?

My nephew was after the game.

He's convinced, look at the videos in the links.

 

[This is The End]

rdwight pretty much nailed it.


This is about two things.

Population increase & poverty.

No matter how much the conservatives want it to be this is not about race.

And no matter how much the people in nanny states like England and Australia want it to be this is not about guns.