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No. It focuses on the type methods used to counter critique of the WCR and later other ’investigative’ bodies instigated by the authorities.

Same MO.

But without exploring whether the "MO" is founded upon verifiable fact and sound logic, it's ad hominem. Your argument comes from a position of moral disapprobation. When you write...

...similarities between some of the participants in this thread, their arguments, methods and obvious MO, with that of one of the main suspects in the assassination of JFK, the terror organization CIA...

you are clearly relying upon traits of the persons making the statements, not their facts or logic. When you inflame the language with unproven accusations ("...main suspects in the assassination...") and rhetoric ("...terror organization..") and insinuate that your critics are similar -- without addressing their actual statements -- you are

prim[ing] the audience with adverse information about the opponent from the start, in an attempt to make your claim more acceptable or discount the credibility of your opponent’s claim.

Is not your aim to make your opponents seem less credible because of their purported similarity to groups you despise?

Read it again.

Repeating an ad hominem argument doesn't stop it from being ad hominem.

If someone is complaining on something but not being specific, just complaining in general, it is whining.

No.

Do you have a more, pleseant, word? Name it and I promise to have a look at it.

"Complain" worked for you just fine in the previous sentence.
 
...Can we come up with a plausible explanation for how the weapon got to the murder scene?

Yup. Paper bag, prints all over it, fibers inside it, "curtain rods" lie, Buell Fraser's statements, Linnie May Randall's statements, all paint a pretty plausible explanation for how the rifle got to the depository...

Makes you wonder what would've have happened if LHO was just a little more careless wrapping the gun allowing Buell Frazier a quick peek. "Ah hell, those ain't curtain rods, Lee!"
 
Nope. Not even close.

I just measured the distance from my EOP to my cowlick. It was 4 inches. Then I moved to what I considered "slightly above and to the right" of my EOP, the distance to my cowlick dropped to 2 and a half inches.

So the autopsy doctors measurements were out by a couple inches. So what?
The distance is ca 11 cm below and ca 4 cm to the right. That is on the opposite side of the back of the head.

A child would have observed this. Not three pathologists performing the autopsy? That is not possible to give a plausible explanation. You can skew anyway you want, it is not possible to miss by that much. They had acces to the cranium more than 12 hours. Looking, feeling, investigating it from all angles, using their expertise as senior pathologist teaching the field to new pathologists, and they can’t see the difference between the lowest part of the back of the head and the uppermost part?

Really?
 
The distance is ca 11 cm below and ca 4 cm to the right. That is on the opposite side of the back of the head.

A child would have observed this. Not three pathologists performing the autopsy? That is not possible to give a plausible explanation. You can skew anyway you want, it is not possible to miss by that much. They had acces to the cranium more than 12 hours. Looking, feeling, investigating it from all angles, using their expertise as senior pathologist teaching the field to new pathologists, and they can’t see the difference between the lowest part of the back of the head and the uppermost part?

Really?

The autopsy was 4 hours, not 12.

They were only out by a couple inches. Totally plausible given the state of Kennedy's head. The x-rays and photographs are definitive.

A couple inches is not a big deal.
 
You and Hank are whining about my JFK-quote being ”out of context” and therefore means something else than it says standing alone.

That's because context is important!

What does it mean if put in context? That JFK did NOT have the opinion that ”the very word ’secrecy’ is repugnant in a free and open society”?

Do you even understand what context is?
 
The problem is the vast amount of crap thrown at me from so many of you in this thread.

I’ll try to answer as much that time permits. It is a barrage.

Well, if you stopped running away from questions you've been asked, admit when you can't answer them, admit when you are wrong, admit when you are unable to support the claims and bare assertions you keep making from the CT websites you use as sources, you would not be copping as much crap as you do.

Until you change, and answer some hard questions, or admit you can't, its going to keep happening.

Here are a couple for starters...

1. "Please explain the methodology behind the analysis of the sounds on the dictabelt (those that were claimed to be gunfire) and why the microphone has to be in certain places at certain times for the analysis to mean anything, and I want you to do so in your own words...

HINT: Feel free to use diagrams you have drawn, to show that you know what you are talking about."

2. "Why did Oswald murder Officer Tippitt and then attempt to murder more officers in the theatre with the same gun when they had him cornered?

3. "How do you reconcile your claim that Oswald did not murder Officer Tippett with the fact that eye witnesses saw him do so, and/or saw him running away from the scene?"
 
Literally at the top of this page. I laid out the bullet points one at a time.

Are you serious?
Ah, there it is.

Yes.

We've provided everything a prosecuting attorney would ask for when trying a murder case.

Were there witnesses that saw the shooter? Does our suspect match their description?

Yes, and yes. Multiple witnesses saw the gunman, Oswald fits the descriptions provided.
No it doesn’t. And no, no one could identify the shooter as Oswald.

No evidence.

Can we place the suspect at the scene? Does he have an alibi during the shooting?

Yes we can definitively place him in the depository. Better than that, he was definitively at the sixth floor window within hours of his prints being lifted from boxes arranged around it. He had no verifiable alibi.
He worked in the TSBD and he worked on a daily basis on the 6th floor lifting boxes around.

No evidence.

Did we recover the murder weapon? Can it be conclusively linked to the shooting?

Yes, a weapon was recovered from the same window we know Oswald was at.
No, it was allegedly recovered from in between boxes at the other end of the 6th floor. And no, no one have identified Oswald in any window in connection to the shooting on Elm Street.

No evidence.

Yes, that weapon links to every recovered shell and fragment large enough to have rifling marks on it.
Does it? Provide the evidence. And if so, it doesn’t say that Oswald used it, does it.

No evidence.

Can we link the suspect to the murder weapon?

Yes. Every available piece of evidence points to Oswald and only Oswald. The order form,
Ordering a completely different model than that allegedly found in the TSBD. IF it is genuine, which is impossible to determine since there is no original document available.

the money order,
Missing all the stamps from the banks who must have stamped it if genuine. Have a serial number that says it should have been used approximately 6 months after the date stamped on it. And, no original available.

the PO box,
In the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, yes. No access for an Alek Hidell = the package would have been returned to sender. No one remember Oswald collecting a big heavy package of any sort, and he was an almost daily visitor at the post office checking his mail. His box was under surveilance by the FBI but no report of a big Italian infantry rifle in his box. And, no original records available.

the Hiddell ID,
Yes, in his wallet, yes. Which one of them are we talking about? The one he left behind with all his money at his wifes place? The one seen in TV news from the Tippit murder scene, studied by police officers? The one the police found in his pocket when whisking him in the backseat of the police car after arresting him at the Texas Theater? All three of them? Two? One?

Why all these wallets everywhere?

the backyard photos,
1. Could be a frame up, pretending it was taken for other purposes.

2. Could be faked.

3. Could be Oswald playing tough guy borrowing the clothes and weapons from ’friends’.

the statements of his wife,
Both the WC and the HSCA circulated internal memos complaining of Marina as a witness. She lied, forgot, gave contradicting testimony, changed her mind, etc, that it ”read like a nightmare” and that the only way to find out what is true and what is false is a cross examination. Needles to say, no such cross examination was arranged. Why all this lying? Well, she was a russian immigrant, mother of two small children and a widdow to the most hated man in the USA. In house arrest, guarded night and day by federal agents with an agenda. You play ball or ...

the statements of the Paines,
Oswalds ”baby sitters” after the white russian baron De Mohrenschildt had left for Tahiti with a fat government contract, yes. The Paines garage, which kept giving and giving.

all link Oswald AND ONLY Oswald to the rifle.
So far, nothing of what you have mentioned links Oswald to the rifle and absolutely nothing that says he assassinated JFK. Nothing. On the contrary, most of it are evidence of framing him which in turn points to the framers as sharing the guilt of the real assassins. I believe Oswald when he shouts out: ”I’m just a patsy!”

Can we come up with a plausible explanation for how the weapon got to the murder scen

Yup. Paper bag,
Lol. No one saw Oswald with the alleged paper bag that day, or, any day ever. No traces inside of a broken down oiled rifle. Spotless. The Frazier siblings could not identify the alleged paper bag. It looked more like an ordinary brown grocery bag, not like the one in evidence. Too big and full of tape on it. No one knows who found it in the snipers nest or who picked it up before photographing it on the scene. Oswald did not have access to the machine from where the tape was pulled out and wetted before being used. And on and on ...

prints all over it,
Easy to plant. The undertaker who took care of Oswalds dead body said in interviews that the FBI visited his workplace late at night and took Oswalds fingerprints, this in spite of those have been taken by the DPD before he got silenced by Jack Ruby. He had to clean his hands again, after they left.

fibers inside it,
Fibers of what?

"curtain rods" lie,
Was it? Oswald testified that his lunchbag contained his, lunch. You are accusing him of lying? Why?

Buell Fraser's statements,
What statements? Do you know that Frazier nowadays are claiming that Oswald was completely innocent of the assassination?

Linnie May Randall's statements,
What statements?

all paint a pretty plausible explanation for how the rifle got to the depository.
Does it? Why?

Did the suspect leave prints or other identifiable markings tying him to the crime?

Yup, palm print on the rifle, fingerprints on the rifle,
Fingerprints not visible when the rifle arrived at FBI forensic lab at the HQ in DC. Nothing. A week later there is?

fingerprints in the snipers nest window,
Where? On the frame? On the glass? Where? He worked there.

fingerprints on the paper bag on the sixth floor, fibers in the paper bag,
Repeting ourselves are we?

fibers in the butt of the gun,
Exeptionally easy to plant. Look at the totality of shadyness. Every item. Every chain. Every lack in procedure. It is everywhere you look. A classic sloppy frameup.

all point to Oswald.
No. All of it points to a frame up of the patsy, Oswald.

Did the suspect show consciousness of guilt after the crime?

Yup. Fled the scene within 3 minutes,
No, he did not ”fled” the scene. He left work because he was told to call it the day since the president had been assassinated down the street. One of nearly two dussin employees who did so.

armed himself,
Did he? With the gun he couldn’t have bought according to the fabricated evidence?

shot a cop,
Did he? Any witnesses actually seeing him kill Tippit?

snuck into a theater to get off the street,
You know that there are witnesses on record testifying that he already were at the Theater when Tippit got shot? You know that the list of all the ca 20 patrons in the Theater disappeared shortly after the arrest of Oswald?

attacked other cops on the theater.
There is at least four versions on record of how this ”attack” developed. Which one should I trust? Or should I trust the accused when stating that: ”A policeman hit me”, when asked of his black eye? Looks like self-defense to me? To you?

This is just scratching the surface.
No it’s not. It is taking the ’evidence’ presented by the authorities at face value, without even scratching on the surface. Most of this has been known to the WC critics since their tome went public in october 1964. Parts of it has been uncovered at a later date, but known for years. It is all out in the open.

There is so much more than this, these are just the bullet points.
If this is the best you got, it’s pretty much time to go home and do something productive for a change, don’t you think? For your own sake?

You can attempt to pick holes at this, but you can't make any of it go away,
Just did and more to that, I have shown you that all of it are evidence of a frame up of Oswald, the patsy. It is in the frame up you find the people who really assassinated JFK.

and more importantly, you can't produce a shred of evidence implicating a different shooter.
Correct. I do not know who did the actual shooting, but I do know who ordered it and covered it up.

It was a covert coup d’etat.
 
Ah, there it is.

No it doesn’t. And no, no one could identify the shooter as Oswald.

No evidence.

He worked in the TSBD and he worked on a daily basis on the 6th floor lifting boxes around.

No evidence.

No, it was allegedly recovered from in between boxes at the other end of the 6th floor. And no, no one have identified Oswald in any window in connection to the shooting on Elm Street.

No evidence.

Does it? Provide the evidence. And if so, it doesn’t say that Oswald used it, does it.

No evidence.

Ordering a completely different model than that allegedly found in the TSBD. IF it is genuine, which is impossible to determine since there is no original document available.

Missing all the stamps from the banks who must have stamped it if genuine. Have a serial number that says it should have been used approximately 6 months after the date stamped on it. And, no original available.

In the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, yes. No access for an Alek Hidell = the package would have been returned to sender. No one remember Oswald collecting a big heavy package of any sort, and he was an almost daily visitor at the post office checking his mail. His box was under surveilance by the FBI but no report of a big Italian infantry rifle in his box. And, no original records available.

Yes, in his wallet, yes. Which one of them are we talking about? The one he left behind with all his money at his wifes place? The one seen in TV news from the Tippit murder scene, studied by police officers? The one the police found in his pocket when whisking him in the backseat of the police car after arresting him at the Texas Theater? All three of them? Two? One?

Why all these wallets everywhere?

1. Could be a frame up, pretending it was taken for other purposes.

2. Could be faked.

3. Could be Oswald playing tough guy borrowing the clothes and weapons from ’friends’.

Both the WC and the HSCA circulated internal memos complaining of Marina as a witness. She lied, forgot, gave contradicting testimony, changed her mind, etc, that it ”read like a nightmare” and that the only way to find out what is true and what is false is a cross examination. Needles to say, no such cross examination was arranged. Why all this lying? Well, she was a russian immigrant, mother of two small children and a widdow to the most hated man in the USA. In house arrest, guarded night and day by federal agents with an agenda. You play ball or ...

Oswalds ”baby sitters” after the white russian baron De Mohrenschildt had left for Tahiti with a fat government contract, yes. The Paines garage, which kept giving and giving.

So far, nothing of what you have mentioned links Oswald to the rifle and absolutely nothing that says he assassinated JFK. Nothing. On the contrary, most of it are evidence of framing him which in turn points to the framers as sharing the guilt of the real assassins. I believe Oswald when he shouts out: ”I’m just a patsy!”

Lol. No one saw Oswald with the alleged paper bag that day, or, any day ever. No traces inside of a broken down oiled rifle. Spotless. The Frazier siblings could not identify the alleged paper bag. It looked more like an ordinary brown grocery bag, not like the one in evidence. Too big and full of tape on it. No one knows who found it in the snipers nest or who picked it up before photographing it on the scene. Oswald did not have access to the machine from where the tape was pulled out and wetted before being used. And on and on ...

Easy to plant. The undertaker who took care of Oswalds dead body said in interviews that the FBI visited his workplace late at night and took Oswalds fingerprints, this in spite of those have been taken by the DPD before he got silenced by Jack Ruby. He had to clean his hands again, after they left.

Fibers of what?

Was it? Oswald testified that his lunchbag contained his, lunch. You are accusing him of lying? Why?

What statements? Do you know that Frazier nowadays are claiming that Oswald was completely innocent of the assassination?

What statements?

Does it? Why?

Fingerprints not visible when the rifle arrived at FBI forensic lab at the HQ in DC. Nothing. A week later there is?

Where? On the frame? On the glass? Where? He worked there.

Repeting ourselves are we?

Exeptionally easy to plant. Look at the totality of shadyness. Every item. Every chain. Every lack in procedure. It is everywhere you look. A classic sloppy frameup.

No. All of it points to a frame up of the patsy, Oswald.

No, he did not ”fled” the scene. He left work because he was told to call it the day since the president had been assassinated down the street. One of nearly two dussin employees who did so.

Did he? With the gun he couldn’t have bought according to the fabricated evidence?

Did he? Any witnesses actually seeing him kill Tippit?

You know that there are witnesses on record testifying that he already were at the Theater when Tippit got shot? You know that the list of all the ca 20 patrons in the Theater disappeared shortly after the arrest of Oswald?

There is at least four versions on record of how this ”attack” developed. Which one should I trust? Or should I trust the accused when stating that: ”A policeman hit me”, when asked of his black eye? Looks like self-defense to me? To you?

No it’s not. It is taking the ’evidence’ presented by the authorities at face value, without even scratching on the surface. Most of this has been known to the WC critics since their tome went public in october 1964. Parts of it has been uncovered at a later date, but known for years. It is all out in the open.

If this is the best you got, it’s pretty much time to go home and do something productive for a change, don’t you think? For your own sake?

Just did and more to that, I have shown you that all of it are evidence of a frame up of Oswald, the patsy. It is in the frame up you find the people who really assassinated JFK.

Correct. I do not know who did the actual shooting, but I do know who ordered it and covered it up.

It was a covert coup d’etat.

Another evidence-free post from manifesto, containing nothing more than obfuscation, bare assertions, un-evidenced claims and an outright lies.

Par for the CT course!
 
No it doesn’t. And no, no one could identify the shooter as Oswald.

Thus is why I said "fits the description".

Evidence point #1

He worked in the TSBD and he worked on a daily basis on the 6th floor lifting boxes around.

No no no...his prints were on boxes IN the snipers nest. The ones used as a rifle perch. Rolling Reader boxes that were 50 feet away from their pallet and contained Oswald's prints that had to be fresh, as in hours old.

Prints IN the snipers nest.

Evidence point #2

No, it was allegedly recovered from in between boxes at the other end of the 6th floor. And no, no one have identified Oswald in any window in connection to the shooting on Elm Street.

You're arguing the wrong thing. The rifle found was most definitely the murder weapon according to ballistics.

Ordering a completely different model than that allegedly found in the TSBD. IF it is genuine, which is impossible to determine since there is no original document available.

Oswald got exactly the catalog item he ordered. When he clipped the order form from the February issue of American Rifleman, that catalog number referenced the 36" Mannlicher Carcano. When the order was processed by Kleins, they had run out of the 36" model and that catalog number now referred to the replacement 40" model.

Oswald got exactly what was written on the order form in his handwriting.

Evidence point #3

In the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, yes. No access for an Alek Hidell = the package would have been returned to sender. No one remember Oswald collecting a big heavy package of any sort, and he was an almost daily visitor at the post office checking his mail. His box was under surveilance by the FBI but no report of a big Italian infantry rifle in his box. And, no original records available.

Oswald ordered his pistol to the same Dallas PO box using the Hidell alias. Guess what? He had that pistol on him when he was arrested.

I guess Hidell could pick mail up from the box after all.

Evidence point #4

1. Could be a frame up, pretending it was taken for other purposes.

2. Could be faked.

3. Could be Oswald playing tough guy borrowing the clothes and weapons from ’friends’.

It's a photograph of the suspect posing with the murder weapon. It's an authentic untouched original taken with the Oswald's camera to the exclusion of all other cameras.

Suggesting it "could be" something else without providing evidence for any of your options does nothing to damage it's value against Oswald.

Evidence point #5

Take shots at Marina and the Paine's testimony all you want. When the FBI showed up looking for Lee's gun, what did they do? Walked them into the garage and pointed at the blanket. Guess what wasn't there?

Evidence point #6

Lol. No one saw Oswald with the alleged paper bag that day, or, any day ever.

What was in the long paper bag in Buell Fraser's back seat? The one Linnie May Randle ballparked at 3 feet long on the day of the shooting.

Evidence point #7

Easy to plant.

No evidence at all that the prints were planted, therefore you have not damaged their value against Oswald in the least. The prints are exactly where Buell Fraser saw him cupping the long paper bag on his way into the depository.

Evidence points #8 and 9.

Fibers of what?

Fibers matching the blanket in the Paine's garage where they thought Oswald kept his rifle. Fibers at the bottom of the long paper bag with Lee's fingerprints.

Evidence point #10

Was it? Oswald testified that his lunchbag contained his, lunch. You are accusing him of lying? Why?

Lunchbag containing what? A 3 foot sandwich?

Oswald was lying.

Fingerprints not visible when the rifle arrived at FBI forensic lab at the HQ in DC. Nothing. A week later there is?

You're getting your prints mixed up my friend.

The PALMPRINT wasn't visible when the FBI examined the rifle, because JC Day had lifted it already. The FINGERPRINTS were photographed by Day, wrapped in cellophane and tape, lifted by Sebastian Latona of the FBI and recorded. Those prints were matched to Oswald by Vincent Scalice using high contrast photos from a Dallas PD evidence locker in 1992. 24 points of match.

Evidence points 11 and 12

Where? On the frame? On the glass? Where? He worked there.

On Rolling Reader boxes set up as a perch for the rifle. Fresh prints too.

By my count, we're up to a dozen pieces of physical evidence pointing at only Oswald, and we've barely started. You can try to handwave them away, but they aren't going anywhere.
 
Not only did we cover most or all of this in the past, you still haven't supplied one iota of evidence supporting your claims despite numerous requests to do so. Quibble some more over how I point out you failing in that regard:

No chain of custody.
I’m not a mind reader AND again, it’s not my place to figure out on what ’evidence’ you are making a claim. Only you can know that. Only you can do that. That is your place.


More than one chain of custody.
If you claim its veracity, of course you have to argue it. Or, should I do that for you?


Line ups against all rules and without providing legal assistance to the accused.
It doesn’t matter where you store your evidence, you have to provide the source, cite the evidence and argue for its veracity.


Fabricated paper trails to tie Oswald to the alleged murder weapons. Both of them.
Is this your fantasy... Or, do you have a comprehensive explanation of how you came to these two conclusions?



Evidence and reports of intimidation and manipulation of witnesses.
IT IS NOT YOUR OPPONENT WHO SHALL FIND AND PRESENT SUPPORT FOR YOUR CLAIMS. IT IS YOU WHO HAVE TO DO THIS. IF NOT, YOUR CLAIM IS UNSUBSTANTIATED AND REMAINS MINDLESS BABBLEING UNTIL YOU DO. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?


Manipulation of taken testimonies.
Source?

Source?

Source?

Source?


Ignoring evidence.
What is it that you do not get? If YOU are claiming a certain studie debunks a certain studie it is YOU who need to show how this is really so. Not your opponent.

It is madness to demand this from your opponent. Madness. Crazy.

Again, what ”several points” are YOU talking about? Cite. Explain.

Try to make an argument which stands up to scrutiny. I neither shall or can do this for you. To demand this from me is madness. It is plain crazy.

Why don’t you get this? What is missing in your cognitive faculties?

Hank
 
Nope. Not even close.

I just measured the distance from my EOP to my cowlick. It was 4 inches. Then I moved to what I considered "slightly above and to the right" of my EOP, the distance to my cowlick dropped to 2 and a half inches.

So the autopsy doctors measurements were out by a couple inches. So what?

No measurements. The language used in the autopsy is 'slightly above the EOP', with 'slightly' undefined. It is CT pretense that this equates to right next to the EOP. The problem arises because Humes didn't take measurements, but relied on Boswell's notes for that, and Boswell didn't note the distance, if it was measured, between the EOP and the wound.

So hence the totally imprecise fudge-factor word 'slightly'.

CTs have been defining that to mean one thing, and one thing only, but that's solely their interpretation, it's not from anything in the autopsy.

And of course, at the same time they quote the autopsy to put the entrance wound in the back of the head, they also quote some of the Parkland doctors who claimed the exit wound was back there. They somehow think both wounds can co-exist in the same part of the head - a small entry wound and a massive exit wound.

They can't.

This is something CTs need to resolve if they are going to quote both the autopsy and some of the Parkland doctors.

Hank
 
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Ah, there it is.

No it doesn’t. And no, no one could identify the shooter as Oswald.

No evidence.

He worked in the TSBD and he worked on a daily basis on the 6th floor lifting boxes around.

No evidence.

No, it was allegedly recovered from in between boxes at the other end of the 6th floor. And no, no one have identified Oswald in any window in connection to the shooting on Elm Street.

No evidence.

Does it? Provide the evidence. And if so, it doesn’t say that Oswald used it, does it.

No evidence.

Ordering a completely different model than that allegedly found in the TSBD. IF it is genuine, which is impossible to determine since there is no original document available.

Missing all the stamps from the banks who must have stamped it if genuine. Have a serial number that says it should have been used approximately 6 months after the date stamped on it. And, no original available.

In the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, yes. No access for an Alek Hidell = the package would have been returned to sender. No one remember Oswald collecting a big heavy package of any sort, and he was an almost daily visitor at the post office checking his mail. His box was under surveilance by the FBI but no report of a big Italian infantry rifle in his box. And, no original records available.

Yes, in his wallet, yes. Which one of them are we talking about? The one he left behind with all his money at his wifes place? The one seen in TV news from the Tippit murder scene, studied by police officers? The one the police found in his pocket when whisking him in the backseat of the police car after arresting him at the Texas Theater? All three of them? Two? One?

Why all these wallets everywhere?

1. Could be a frame up, pretending it was taken for other purposes.

2. Could be faked.

3. Could be Oswald playing tough guy borrowing the clothes and weapons from ’friends’.

Both the WC and the HSCA circulated internal memos complaining of Marina as a witness. She lied, forgot, gave contradicting testimony, changed her mind, etc, that it ”read like a nightmare” and that the only way to find out what is true and what is false is a cross examination. Needles to say, no such cross examination was arranged. Why all this lying? Well, she was a russian immigrant, mother of two small children and a widdow to the most hated man in the USA. In house arrest, guarded night and day by federal agents with an agenda. You play ball or ...

Oswalds ”baby sitters” after the white russian baron De Mohrenschildt had left for Tahiti with a fat government contract, yes. The Paines garage, which kept giving and giving.

So far, nothing of what you have mentioned links Oswald to the rifle and absolutely nothing that says he assassinated JFK. Nothing. On the contrary, most of it are evidence of framing him which in turn points to the framers as sharing the guilt of the real assassins. I believe Oswald when he shouts out: ”I’m just a patsy!”

Lol. No one saw Oswald with the alleged paper bag that day, or, any day ever. No traces inside of a broken down oiled rifle. Spotless. The Frazier siblings could not identify the alleged paper bag. It looked more like an ordinary brown grocery bag, not like the one in evidence. Too big and full of tape on it. No one knows who found it in the snipers nest or who picked it up before photographing it on the scene. Oswald did not have access to the machine from where the tape was pulled out and wetted before being used. And on and on ...

Easy to plant. The undertaker who took care of Oswalds dead body said in interviews that the FBI visited his workplace late at night and took Oswalds fingerprints, this in spite of those have been taken by the DPD before he got silenced by Jack Ruby. He had to clean his hands again, after they left.

Fibers of what?

Was it? Oswald testified that his lunchbag contained his, lunch. You are accusing him of lying? Why?

What statements? Do you know that Frazier nowadays are claiming that Oswald was completely innocent of the assassination?

What statements?

Does it? Why?

Fingerprints not visible when the rifle arrived at FBI forensic lab at the HQ in DC. Nothing. A week later there is?

Where? On the frame? On the glass? Where? He worked there.

Repeting ourselves are we?

Exeptionally easy to plant. Look at the totality of shadyness. Every item. Every chain. Every lack in procedure. It is everywhere you look. A classic sloppy frameup.

No. All of it points to a frame up of the patsy, Oswald.

No, he did not ”fled” the scene. He left work because he was told to call it the day since the president had been assassinated down the street. One of nearly two dussin employees who did so.

Did he? With the gun he couldn’t have bought according to the fabricated evidence?

Did he? Any witnesses actually seeing him kill Tippit?

You know that there are witnesses on record testifying that he already were at the Theater when Tippit got shot? You know that the list of all the ca 20 patrons in the Theater disappeared shortly after the arrest of Oswald?

There is at least four versions on record of how this ”attack” developed. Which one should I trust? Or should I trust the accused when stating that: ”A policeman hit me”, when asked of his black eye? Looks like self-defense to me? To you?

No it’s not. It is taking the ’evidence’ presented by the authorities at face value, without even scratching on the surface. Most of this has been known to the WC critics since their tome went public in october 1964. Parts of it has been uncovered at a later date, but known for years. It is all out in the open.

If this is the best you got, it’s pretty much time to go home and do something productive for a change, don’t you think? For your own sake?

Just did and more to that, I have shown you that all of it are evidence of a frame up of Oswald, the patsy. It is in the frame up you find the people who really assassinated JFK.

Correct. I do not know who did the actual shooting, but I do know who ordered it and covered it up.

It was a covert coup d’etat.

Your *evidence* for any of the above? Oh, all you have is what you've garnered from CT cites? I recognize most of them right off the bat (some have been repeated for 54 years or so, give or take a couple of months). Repeating baseless claims doesn't make them more true. We're awaiting your evidence, not your claims. We've seen all those claims before, and many if not all of them are dealt with in this thread which spans seven years now.

Hank
 
Nope. Not even close.

I just measured the distance from my EOP to my cowlick. It was 4 inches. Then I moved to what I considered "slightly above and to the right" of my EOP, the distance to my cowlick dropped to 2 and a half inches.

So the autopsy doctors measurements were out by a couple inches. So what?

Where the three autopsy pathologists placed the small head wound versus where the government wishes it was:

[IMGw=600]https://i.imgur.com/rn3fSsN.jpg[/IMGw]

[IMGw=600]https://i.imgur.com/vYA5MKK.jpg[/IMGw]
 
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