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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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All this BS about who said what is just that.... BS. It comes from recollections that were years (in some cases as many as 50 or more) after an event when the participants were under huge stress and pressure.

The FACTS are

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We KNOW that JFK had a bullet entry would in the back of his head from the third shot fired by the sniper.. We KNOW that this bullet fragmented, and that a pressure cavity formed that blew the top-right of his skull off. Again, this is established science from repeated forensic ballistic tests and experiments, besides which WE SEE CORROBORATING EVIDENCE OF THIS IN THE ZAPRUDER FILM.

Ah man you forgot "badge man" who fired an instant later than LHO's third shot and hit JFK from the right forward position. Jack White swore he saw it in the Moorman Polaroid image.:rolleyes:

And all of this autopsy narrative of "who shot where" does not have anything to with the assassination.
I've asked you once and I'll repeat it, "Why do you believe in a conspiracy MJ?"
 
Axxman, if you had bothered to read a little closer, the Barnum journal says that Burkley discussed the autopsy with him and his men AFTER the autopsy, or at least during the later stages of it. "Sometime after midnight". Burkley was there until 4 AM and I don't know if he returned for any reason after.

I did read it. I can also tell time, and follow a time-line.

Here's what YOU missed:

Burkley was with the President in the ER at Parkland and knew about the throat wound, and YET HE DIDN'T PASS THIS MINOR DETAIL ALONG TO THE PATHOLOGISTS. In fact, he stood buy while they played guessing games, and later called Parkland to ask about it.

Why did he keep silent? Was he the real killer?

Or was he just more than a little traumatized by seeing a friend, and President of the United States murdered in broad daylight? If you knew anything about human behavior you'd know this is likely the cause of his professional failure on 11/22-23/1963.

Oh, and guess what? The fact that he said the bullet entered the back and out the throat means he was able to put two & two together.

But please keep going, this is amusing stuff.
 
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So, Axxman300, how do you know that Oswald killed JFK?

Wrong question. The evidence accumulated in multiple investigations points to Oswald and no one else.

That's the default explanation of the evidence at this point.

For a variety of reasons, not least because of Occam's razor.

So the proper question is what new evidence do you bring to the table to overturn the default explanation?
 
Wrong question. The evidence accumulated in multiple investigations points to Oswald and no one else.

That's the default explanation of the evidence at this point.

For a variety of reasons, not least because of Occam's razor.

So the proper question is what new evidence do you bring to the table to overturn the default explanation?
No, you are wrong. The default is, innocent until proven guilty.

Give me your best ”accumulated” evidence for Oswalds guilt.
 
No, you are wrong. The default is, innocent until proven guilty.

Give me your best ”accumulated” evidence for Oswalds guilt.

Gen. Walker - Carcano, statements to Marina that he was the shooter.

JFK - Carcano, found at place of employment. Carcano - fired with empty cases in evidence, at place of employment. Carcano - expended projectiles recovered from victims.

DPD Officer J.D. Tippet - S. & W. wheelgun, in LHO's hand at moment of arrest.
 
Gen. Walker -
1. Evidence for this?

2. If so, how is this evidence of him killing JFK?


Yes?

statements to Marina that he was the shooter.
Shooter of, who?

JFK - Carcano, found at place of employment.
1. The same Carcano that was first identified as a Mauser?

2. If a Carcano, why is it evidence of Oswalds guilt?


Carcano - fired
Fired?

with empty cases in evidence, at place of employment.
Chain of custody?

Carcano - expended projectiles recovered from victims.
There were no bullets recovered from any victim in the limo. Fragments, yes, but how do you tie them to the Carcano allegedly found in TSBD?

DPD Officer J.D. Tippet
1. Did Oswald kill Tippit too? Evidence?

2. If so, how is this evidence of him killing JFK?

- S. & W. wheelgun, in LHO's hand at moment of arrest.
If so, why is this evidence of him killing JFK?
 
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So, Axxman300, how do you know that Oswald killed JFK?

Shots were fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD where Oswald specifically worked.

The President was struck by two 6.5x52mm bullets, this caliber is proprietary to the Italian made Carcano rifle. Oswald owned a Carcano rifle, and was photographed by his wife holding the rifle.

The same rifle was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD with his fingerprints.

After the shooting Oswald fled the scene.

Oswald shot Dallas Police Officer JD Tippit in an encounter on the street not far from his rooming house.

Oswald attempted to shoot a second Dallas Policeman in the Texas Theater during his apprehension.

Later, his wife found he had left his wedding band on his nightstand that morning, something he had done only once before when he went to shoot General Walker.

To sum up: His gun, bullets that can only come from his gun, fired from the floor he was on, he flees the scene of the crime, kills one cop, tries to kill a second cop.

Guilty.

If you want to play the conspiracy game you have to link him to someone or some entity, and in 54 years nobody has been able to do this. If you want to play the second gunman game you will lose like everyone else. Oswald was the lone shooter in Dealey Plaza.
 
Shots were fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD where Oswald specifically worked.
He worked on all floors in the TSBD.

The President was struck by two 6.5x52mm bullets,
Was he?

this caliber is proprietary to the Italian made Carcano rifle. Oswald owned a Carcano rifle,
Did he own one?


and was photographed by his wife holding the rifle.
If so, why is this evidence of him killing JFK?

The same rifle was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD with his fingerprints.
1. The same rifle first identified as a Mauser?

2. You are refering to the palm print allegedly lifted by Lt. Day but ”forgotten” until a week after the assassination? Without him taking a photograph of it before lifting it and without him signing the affidavit attached to it?

After the shooting Oswald fled the scene.
How do you know that he actually ”fled”?

Oswald shot Dallas Police Officer JD Tippit in an encounter on the street not far from his rooming house.
Did he? Evidence of this?

Oswald attempted to shoot a second Dallas Policeman in the Texas Theater during his apprehension.
Did he? Why repetedly yelling: - ”I’m not resisting arrest!”, while at the same time trying to shoot the arresting officer?

Later, his wife found he had left his wedding band on his nightstand that morning, something he had done only once before when he went to shoot General Walker.
1. How do you know that he had tried to shoot Gen. Walker? Evidence?

2. Why is it evidence to leave behind a wedding ring in a marriage on the brink of divorce? They were already separated?

To sum up: His gun, bullets that can only come from his gun, fired from the floor he was on, he flees the scene of the crime, kills one cop, tries to kill a second cop.

Guilty.
To sum up: Were is the corresponding evidence?

If you want to play the conspiracy game you have to link him to someone or some entity, and in 54 years nobody has been able to do this. If you want to play the second gunman game you will lose like everyone else. Oswald was the lone shooter in Dealey Plaza.
To asert something without evidence is at best a severe lack of knowledge and critical thinking. At worst?

Well ...
 
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He worked on all floors in the TSBD.

Was he?

Did he own one?


If so, why is this evidence of him killing JFK?

The same rifle first identified as a Mauser?

2. You are refering to the palm print allegedly lifted by Lt. Day but ”forgotten” until a week after the assassination? Without him taking a photograph of it before lifting it and without him signing the affidavit attached to it?

How do you know that he actually ”fled”?

Did he? Evidence of this?

1. Did he? Why repetedly yelling: - ”I’m not resisting arrest!”, while at the same time trying to shoot the arresting officer?

1. How do you know that he had tried to shoot Gen. Walker? Evidence?

2. Why is it evidence to leave behind a wedding ring in a marriage on the brink of divorce? They were already separated?

To sum up: Were is the corresponding evidence?

To asert something without evidence is at best a severe lack of knowledge and critical thinking. At worst?

Well ...

Have you just discovered this particular CT? You appear to be totally unfamiliar with anything that has been discussed in the past 50+ years.
 
Have you just discovered this particular CT? You appear to be totally unfamiliar with anything that has been discussed in the past 50+ years.
On the contrary, I’ve read just about everything there is.

And, it ain’t pretty.
 
1. Evidence for this?

2. If so, how is this evidence of him killing JFK?

The 6.5x52mm round recovered from the scene can only be fired from the Carcano. Shooting at Walker also show intent to kill someone important.

Shooter of, who?

JFK, unless you think he shot someone else other than the President and Tippit.


1. The same Carcano that was first identified as a Mauser?

2. If a Carcano, why is it evidence of Oswalds guilt?

Misidentified by an officer who'd never seen the Carcano before (which would have been just about every cop in Dallas, or the Southwest US for that matter). More importantly the Mauser thing came from officer buzz around the TSBD, it was never officially identified as such. The recovery of the rifle is on film.

It is evidence of Oswald's guilt because he owned THE rifle that made the shots, and the rifle was recovered from the floor where he was working that day. Had he bought at standard hunting rifle or M-1 Garand in .762 it would be possible to cast doubt, but he bought a Carcano that required a specific caliber.

Chain of custody?

Has never been in dispute. There was still a round left in the rifle.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/305136

There were no bullets recovered from any victim in the limo. Fragments, yes, but how do you tie them to the Carcano allegedly found in TSBD?

It's called "Ballistics". The fragments were large enough to reveal the rifling, shape, and size of the round, and all are identified as 6.5x52mm round.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/305151

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/305150

This isn't magic, all one needs is a good microscope.

The first bullet that struck was found at Parkland, and was mostly intact, which is a trait of the 6.5x52mm bullet when fired into mostly soft tissue.

I know CT-loons hate this, but that's the reality of this weapon.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/305144

1. Did Oswald kill Tippit too? Evidence?

His gun, retrieved FROM HIS HAND while attempting to shoot a second policemen in the theater. Eye witnesses saw him shoot Tippit.

2. If so, how is this evidence of him killing JFK?

Shooting a policeman is the act of a desperate man who was attempting to escape...unless you're someone who decides to shoot cops on your lunch hour. It's not a stand-alone event. Look at the facts:

Oswald is on the 6th floor when JFK is shot, he leaves his rifle there.
Oswald flees the TSBD.
Oswald returns to his rooming house to change clothes, and takes his pistol with him.

Oswald shoots Tippit. Why? Why would an innocent man shoot a cop if he allegedly doesn't even know the President has been shot?

Oswald attempts to kill a second policeman in the Texas Theater. Why? Is this something an innocent man does?

Oswald's actions on 11/22/63 taken in total prove his guilt.

His actions in the weeks prior the assassination are even more damning. His trip to Mexico City to obtain visas to either Russia or Cuba. His attempt on General Walker's life. His stalking of tall buildings along the parade route prior to the assassination asking for rooftop access. These are not the actions of an innocent man.

The key is the Carcano. He could have chosen any other surplus rifle in .762 and his bullets would have been common in Texas, and everywhere else in the US in 1963, but he didn't - he bought a Carcano. Conventional wisdom says he did so because it was the cheapest rifle he could buy, but he lived in Texas where guns were sold everywhere including hardware stores. He could have walked into any pawn shop and picked up an M-1 Garand for maybe $10 more than he paid for his mail-order Carcano. The M-1 was the rifle he was trained on while he was a Marine, so it would have made better sense to buy a weapon he could use in his sleep.

Yet he bought the Carcano. Why?

Was he that cheap? Maybe. Was he that dumb? Maybe.

Here's something to consider; maybe he chose the rifle because it stood out. It came with a scope, and the fact that it was Italian made it exotic. Oswald, being a Marine, certainly would have understood that 6.5x52mm is not an every day round like the .762, and would stand out if he used it in a crime.

And maybe that's what he wanted.

You don't kill JFK because you want to be anonymous. His actions and demeanor while in DPD custody were of a man loving the spotlight. He had finally found the fame that alluded him in his defection to Russia, and was absent on his return from Russia to the US. For the first time in his life he was somebody, and he was going to milk it for everything that he could.

So it all comes back to his choice of weapon; a rifle chambered for a proprietary round that would point back to its user. If you understand ballistics the Carcano is the ultimate smoking gun.:thumbsup:
 
On the contrary, I’ve read just about everything there is.

And, it ain’t pretty.

Great. Then perhaps you will provide a coherent hypothesis of what you think happened that day and why it happened the way it did.

I know MicahJava will appreciate someone doing the work that he is incapable of.

Supporting evidence would be nice but for now I would settle for a coherent narrative.
 
Great. Then perhaps you will provide a coherent hypothesis of what you think happened that day and why it happened the way it did.

I know MicahJava will appreciate someone doing the work that he is incapable of.

Supporting evidence would be nice but for now I would settle for a coherent narrative.
Seems to me you are trying to invert the burden of proof. Why is that?

Guilty until proven innocent?
 
On the contrary, I’ve read just about everything there is.

And, it ain’t pretty.

No it's not pretty.

Most CT books are written by delusional people who, like Oswald, want to have their name associated with JFK. Their research is fourth-rate at best, assuming they bother to do any at all. Hearsay is given equal weight to confirmed fact in almost every book I wasted my life reading back when I was a CT-moron. It is embarrassing to think I once bought into this crapola.
 
Seems to me you are trying to invert the burden of proof. Why is that?

Guilty until proven innocent?

No. Proof, guilt, or innocence have nothing to do with my request. I don't even understand who you might be referring to as guilty or innocent. I simply want to hear (read) your narrative. I have never seen a coherent narrative of the conspiracy and I would like to. MicahJava has not been able to provide his so I am turning to you.
 
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