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Cain said:
How typical of the media to make heroes out of the cowardly, narcissistic, gun-grabbing Parkland kids while portraying the lone Trump-supporting, 2nd Amendment proponent as a villain.
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Just out of interest

Do you mind posting some stats so show none of the parkland students own guns or voted for Trump?

Just to make your post seem slightly less politicising tragedy and all that
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Who said anything about "poor Cruz"? I'm looking at this logically, like a skeptic would. It's obvious the guy's personality is guaranteed to make him unpopular, probably downright scary to some people. Being bullied for a reason doesn't mean he wasn't bullied. I'm not defending him. I'm saying he was bullied.


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But the act of avoiding someone who is obnoxious, is not bullying.
 
cullennz said:
Just out of interest

Do you mind posting some stats so show none of the parkland students own guns or voted for Trump?

Just to make your post seem slightly less politicising tragedy and all that
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I'm not very good at spotting irony or satire, but I think Cain's post that you responded was one or the other... or both maybe.
 
smartcooky said:
I'm not very good at spotting irony or satire, but I think Cain's post that you responded was one or the other... or both maybe.
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Indeed. Remember the name. Cain is brilliant at Poe/ satire. Approach his posts with some caution, or your name gets added to a very long list of fish that have leapt out of the river and found themselves flapping around on the riverbank.......:D
 
Nessie said:
But the act of avoiding someone who is obnoxious, is not bullying.
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From some of what I've read he was shunned because he was something of a bully. Even if you argued that him being ostracized provided some valid motive for lashing out access to guns allowed him to turn his anger into mass murder.
 
Ted Nugent calls Parkland survivors 'liars' and 'soulless' in interview

CNN said:
National Rifle Association board member and classic rocker Ted Nugent slammed survivors of the Parkland, Florida, school shooting, calling them "liars" and "poor, mushy-brained children."

Nugent made the comments during an interview on "The Joe Pags Show," a nationally syndicated conservative radio program.

"All you have to do now is not only feel sorry for the liars, but you have to go against them and pray to God that the lies can be crushed and the liars can be silenced so that real measures can be put into place to actually save children's lives," Nugent said about the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School students.

"These poor children, I'm afraid to say this and it hurts me to say this, but the evidence is irrefutable, they have no soul," he added...

"The lies from the left, the lies from these poor, mushy-brained children who have been fed lies and parrot the lies, they are actually committing spiritual suicide because everything they recommend will cause more death and mayhem, guaranteed." Nugent said...
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/31/politics/nra-member-calls-parkland-survivors-liars/index.html
 
Literally the only times I've heard Ted Nugent's name in the last 15 or so years in any context is in response to him making some stupid, almost Poe, level neo-con statement in response to some politically charged hot topic currently in the news.

Who exactly keeps asking for or listening to or reporting on what a goddamn one hit wonder from 40 years ago thinks? We might as well ask what Dexy's Midnight Runners think about health care reform or what Carl Douglas thinks about the crisis in the South China Sea.

Is he just some handy on call soundbite generator that we know is going to say something stupid and inflammatory; a doll who's string we pull when we need something said to feed the outrage machine?
 
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Nugent is extremely popular with a subculture of the right wing and gun advocates. He is quite active and vocal in that context. His music and past as a rock star is almost a minor footnote now.
 
MikeG said:
Indeed. Remember the name. Cain is brilliant at Poe/ satire. Approach his posts with some caution, or your name gets added to a very long list of fish that have leapt out of the river and found themselves flapping around on the riverbank.......:D
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I like to think that he holds up a mirror to some of the nastiest opinions that you might hear expressed on some of these subjects.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Literally the only times I've heard Ted Nugent's name in the last 15 or so years in any context is in response to him making some stupid, almost Poe, level neo-con statement in response to some politically charged hot topic currently in the news.

Who exactly keeps asking for or listening to or reporting on what a goddamn one hit wonder from 40 years ago thinks? We might as well ask what Dexy's Midnight Runners think about health care reform or what Carl Douglas thinks about the crisis in the South China Sea.

Is he just some handy on call soundbite generator that we know is going to say something stupid and inflammatory; a doll who's string we pull when we need something said to feed the outrage machine?
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You know, I really like the music he made back in the day. I wish he wouldn't make me feel guilty for that.
 
William Parcher said:
Nugent is extremely popular with a subculture of the right wing and gun advocates. He is quite active and vocal in that context. His music and past as a rock star is almost a minor footnote now.
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That, and he's a member of the NRA's board of directors, so he has some real-world power in terms of setting the organization's agenda.

Radio show, NRA board member - he does have some avenues to influence people beyond his time as a draft-dodging rock star.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Not at all. Your entire argument depends on bullying and ostracizing having nothing in common. Fortunately, I have the dictionary and reams of psychological research on my side.
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I never made that claim. This post makes it pretty clear what my argument is regarding the relationship ostracization and bullying.

The claim being challenged isn't about the relationship between ostracization and bullying, but whether or not Emma Gonzalez admitted to bullying Cruz. She didn't, and you are lying when you claim otherwise.

OK, you're right. Bullying and ostracizing are complete opposites. In fact, if you're bullying somebody, you're not ostracizing them. If you're ostracizing somebody, then by definition, you are NOT bullying them.
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Again, you are dishonestly misrepresenting my argument. But I guess I shouldn't take that personally. It seems to be a tactic you employ often, particularly against teenage survivors of gun violence.

So where's the contradiction?
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The contradiction is in admitting that ostracization isn't always bullying, but then pretending that ostracization must mean bullying in interpreting Emma Gonzalez's statement.

That dishonesty is made particularly insidious by the fact that Emma Gonzalez made it very clear that the motivation for ostracizing Cruz was out of fear of his disturbing behavior.

Here's you complaining about people twisting your words. And you seem pretty offended by it. Almost as if you don't want people to assume you meant something you didn't actually say.

Feeling so strongly about that, it makes one wonder why you think it's okay to do that very thing to Emma Gonzalez.
 
jimbob said:
The three posts above yours would support that idea.
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When he drops the satire and posts for real he is very good.

I have nominated a few of his posts in the last few months.
 
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William Parcher said:
Ted Nugent calls Parkland survivors 'liars' and 'soulless' in interview

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/31/politics/nra-member-calls-parkland-survivors-liars/index.html
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I'm quite satisfied to see gun nuts like Nugent and LaPierre attacking the victims of gun crime... it shows the whole world that they have no argument, that they are finding themselves more and more backed into a corner, and that that they are desperate to lash out at anything or anyone who might take away their baby rattles.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Literally the only times I've heard Ted Nugent's name in the last 15 or so years in any context is in response to him making some stupid, almost Poe, level neo-con statement in response to some politically charged hot topic currently in the news.

Who exactly keeps asking for or listening to or reporting on what a goddamn one hit wonder from 40 years ago thinks? We might as well ask what Dexy's Midnight Runners think about health care reform or what Carl Douglas thinks about the crisis in the South China Sea.

Is he just some handy on call soundbite generator that we know is going to say something stupid and inflammatory; a doll who's string we pull when we need something said to feed the outrage machine?
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William Parcher said:
Nugent is extremely popular with a subculture of the right wing and gun advocates. He is quite active and vocal in that context. His music and past as a rock star is almost a minor footnote now.
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crescent said:
That, and he's a member of the NRA's board of directors, so he has some real-world power in terms of setting the organization's agenda.

Radio show, NRA board member - he does have some avenues to influence people beyond his time as a draft-dodging rock star.
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You can tell a lot about someone by the company they choose to keep and the people they look to for guidance and support.
 
crescent said:
That, and he's a member of the NRA's board of directors, so he has some real-world power in terms of setting the organization's agenda.
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So is Tom Selleck, R. Lee Emery, Oliver North and Karl Malone and we're not hearing their opinions.
 
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