School shooting Florida

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Meadmaker said:
Maybe.

But I think this time it really is different. I don't know why, exactly, but I think this time politicians at least in purple states will have to think twice about their gun control positions. For the last couple of decades, everyone knew that you didn't dare support gun control of any sort outside of very liberal areas, because even though more people were on one side of the issue, there were enough single issue voters that the political calculus was always in favor or opposing gun control.

This time, a bunch of teenagers who had survived, and who buried friends that did not, were in Tallahassee chanting "Vote them out!" Am I being too optimistic this time? I suppose so, but at least this time, I got myself a T-shirt. (I bought a "March for Our Lives" T-shirt at marchforourlives.com. They will only be taking orders for another few hours, although donations are welcome after that.)
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Again purely as an independent observer

As I said earlier. It is different, but nothing will happen and it will fade away in a week or 2 like all the others.
 
Yeggster said:
When I was in high school our history Teacher occasionally carried a 9mm Browning High Power on his belt (when he was required to)

He was also the Army Cadet Corps leader, and held Army Reserve Rank of Capitan, when we had high caliber firearms (that meaning non-.22 firearms) being transported to and from the school ... legally someone had to be armed.

We would store the firearms in the school vault and the ammo and breach blocks in a safe on the range ... yeah we also had a rifle range in the basement of the school.
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In my last two years of high school ('71, '72) I was attending Staunton Military Academy. Every cadet on campus was issued at least one Model 1903 Springfield rifle. Since I was on both the precision and the trick drill team I had four. The regular issue one, the one for precision drill performances, the one for trick drill performances, and the one whose stock I bashed to pieces on a regular basis learning how to do the extreme trick drill routines we performed.

Most of these were regular U.S. Army issue, straight out of the crates they were originally shipped in. (I spent some time getting the cosmoline off of some of the replacements.) The drill team's were nickel plated with white webbing shoulder straps

All they lacked to be completely functional was a firing pin. Since the '03 Springfield was a popular weapon of choice for deer hunting back then it wasn't particularly difficult to acquire those at local gun shops, and ammo was even more easily obtained.

So there were a few hundred of us up there on top of the hill all armed with what had at least at one time been military grade weapons. Lacking only a (five dollar?) firing pin to be perfectly serviceable.

No shootings, though.
 
Yeggster said:
This is one of the reasons Police Presence has been reduced and eliminated in most schools in Toronto ...
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I have four questions for you.

1) Were they effective?

2) What did they accomplish?

3) Did they indeed contribute to the school to prison pipeline?

4) Canada isn't having school shooters are they? You do have better gun control up there.
 
LTC8K6 said:
https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/23/school-resource-officer-scot-peterson-pa

What strange goings on with the school police officers...
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And that's not the only problem with that department:
Since winning one of the most powerful elected posts in Broward, Sheriff Scott Israel has hired from the ranks of his political supporters, building a community outreach wing his critics say doubles as a re-election team.
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-sheriff-political-hires-20160827-story.html
 
Captain_Swoop said:
I agree, it will fade away, nothing will change and before the end of March there will be another mass shooting and it will all happen again.
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I may have been the first one on this Forum to say "It feels different this time", and I've heard it from several quarters since then. I'm thinking now of 50 years ago, 1968, another time of great upheaval for civil rights and the Vietnam war.
 
jimbob said:
No, I'm working on the basis that most military vets wouldn't have used pistols in action. They are a last-ditch weapon for most war situations.

The cop might have practised and trained with pistols, but I doubt that storming a building against superior firepower with lots of innocent people was often included in the scenarios.
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Wouldn't a combat trained person be less likely to go in unsupported and unprepared, I thought the were trained not to be such heroes?
 
Civet said:
Interesting. Not sure how much it hurts the NRA, though. Are any of their actual donors pulling out?
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My understanding is that those pulling out are all donors. I could be wrong. Donors in the sense that they offer benefits to the society and its members.

I'm waiting for an alternative gun owners society to be formed, and for NRA members to start leaving to join the new one. That's when I'll start to think change is on its way.
 
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Wayne LaPierre claims "European Socialists" are part of the mass shooting problem. Apparently we will strip away rights and freedoms.

Anyone any idea how we will do that and as a European who is a social democrat (near enough socialist) can I join in?
 
Meadmaker said:
Maybe.

But I think this time it really is different. I don't know why, exactly, but I think this time politicians at least in purple states will have to think twice about their gun control positions. For the last couple of decades, everyone knew that you didn't dare support gun control of any sort outside of very liberal areas, because even though more people were on one side of the issue, there were enough single issue voters that the political calculus was always in favor or opposing gun control.

This time, a bunch of teenagers who had survived, and who buried friends that did not, were in Tallahassee chanting "Vote them out!" Am I being too optimistic this time? I suppose so, but at least this time, I got myself a T-shirt. (I bought a "March for Our Lives" T-shirt at marchforourlives.com. They will only be taking orders for another few hours, although donations are welcome after that.)
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If Sandy Hook did nothing, why should this shooting? One would think that 20 dead pre-schoolers would spur the general public to push the politicians into action. It's not that the survivors of Sandy Hook didn't stand up. They did. And nothing happened.

The same will be true for Parkland. The political system in the US will ensure that nothing will change.
 
The following companies have cut ties with the NRA over the last 24 hours.

Enterprise, Wyndham, Metlife,Hertz, Best Western, First National Bank, Alamo, National, Symantec, Chubb and SIRVA
 
Bob001 said:
It doesn't matter if there were 10. The trained cop with a badge and a gun knew -- or certainly had good reason to believe -- children were getting killed, and he didn't even approach to see whether he could help.
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Now I have heard that there were four deputies that did nothing, and tgat they could have looked at CCTV, then I think that they could have gone in together with some prior knowledge.
 
3point14 said:
Am I the only one that finds the phrase "school police officers" jarring?
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Not amongst people from outwith the US.

Although it seems that "school armouries" might have been more common in the UK. Like Captain Swoop, my school in the 80s had one, for the same reason.
 
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