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mike81 said:
Sounds pretty close to a prison to me:

I have some nieces who are in elementary school and my bother told me they are not allowed to speak even during lunch. He says they are expected to act "like robots." Add armed teachers and some of the other nonsense suggested and I think that's pretty much a prison.
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If you use your own personal definition of prison than I understand your interpretation. That is unfortunately for you not how words work. Schools have been using fences and creating entrapment areas to control entry for years. The other suggestions are as hysterical as the insinuation that mass shootings pose a significant danger to children.

Bob001 said:
Interestingly, the governor of Alaska is saying on MSNBC that when he was a kid, kids would routinely take their shotguns to school and go pheasant hunting during breaks. He was making the point that circumstances vary by state and region, and there is no one size fits all solution.
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Agreed. Curious why this has become a national priority. Are states and localities not inept enough to take the actions they deem necessary to provide protection for children? Other reason?
 
jimbob said:
I am assuming that in a confused situation and a shooter with a "tactical vest" whether bulletproof or not, the guy with the pistol would think it was a bulletproof vest, meaning that they have a relatively inaccurate weapon that is unlikely to have the power to hit the torso so they'd have to aim for only small targets.
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It's too bad the police officer in question never entered the building to assess the scene and even find out whether or not the shooter was wearing any vest of any kind.
 
Checkmite said:
I cannot find any report corroborating your claim that Cruz was wearing body armor. There are several reports stating that he wore a vest, perhaps to hold magazines, that he left with his rifle in the school; but there is no indication of any kind of body armor.

The Sandy Hook shooter also wore a cloth vest with extra ammunition in it that is often misrepresented as body armor.
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Here is a photo of his armor. He told his Instagram buddies that he was buying it and then he did. There are reports saying he wore it during the shooting and then took it off.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/ass...chool-shooter-obsessed-race-violence-guns.jpg
 
William Parcher said:
Here is a photo of his armor.
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I am aware that he purchased body armor. He also purchased many other weapons and ammunition that he didn't bring with him to the school either. But while all of the articles featuring that photo for instance readily call it body armor, the body of press articles describing the actual incident seem to almost pointedly avoid calling the vest body armor, and no law enforcement press statements about the situation seem to have said anything about body armor being found either. You are making an assumption without any basis.
 
ServiceSoon said:
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Agreed. Curious why this has become a national priority. Are states and localities not inept enough to take the actions they deem necessary to provide protection for children? Other reason?
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You mean "ept" or or competent or something, right? One answer is that the NRA fights all firearms restrictions everywhere. In Florida, cities and counties are forbidden by law to enact firearms rules that are tougher than the very lax state laws. Another is that the manufacture and purchase of firearms is subject to federal law. Background checks are conducted through federal data bases. Firearms are easy to transport across state, let alone city, lines. Firearms sales and firearms lobbying are big national businesses, in many ways beyond the reach of states, again let alone cities.
 
Checkmite said:
I am aware that he purchased body armor. He also purchased many other weapons and ammunition that he didn't bring with him to the school either. But while all of the articles featuring that photo for instance readily call it body armor, the body of press articles describing the actual incident seem to almost pointedly avoid calling the vest body armor, and no law enforcement press statements about the situation seem to have said anything about body armor being found either. You are making an assumption without any basis.
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Some of the earlier reports did say he wore the armor. But it hasn't been officially confirmed as you say.
 
Bob001 said:
If the vest was in fact "bulletproof" to pistol rounds, getting shot wearing one is still pretty much like getting whacked with a baseball bat. Not lethal, but temporarily disabling, especially if you're hit more than once. More important, the cop hiding outside had no way to know who the shooter was, let alone that he might be wearing a "bulletproof" vest.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/10/21/painful-shot-wearing-ballistic-vest/
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...and let alone how many active shooters there were.

Think Columbine... early reports said there was "a shooter" in the school... turns out there were two. Going in thinking there is only one shooter is one thing, but if it turns out there are two, that becomes way more than double the complexity.
 
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This differs from the Las Vegas spree because with that one we got lots and lots of official information on the shooter, his weaponry and his tactics right away. Not the same with Cruz. Maybe the reason for the difference is that Cruz is alive and there could be a trial.
 
So, caution on using CNN as a source, but ugh that makes things even worse.

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html
 
smartcooky said:
...and let alone how many active shooters there were.

Think Columbine... early reports said there was "a shooter" in the school... turns out there were two. Going in thinking there is only one shooter is one thing, but if it turns out there are two, that becomes way more than double the complexity.
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It doesn't matter if there were 10. The trained cop with a badge and a gun knew -- or certainly had good reason to believe -- children were getting killed, and he didn't even approach to see whether he could help.
 
There are also reports saying that officers at the scene watched school surveillance video which showed Cruz stalking with the rifle on the second floor. They went there to try to engage him. But it turned out that they were watching video with a 6 minute delay instead of real time. They thought it was live video. It delayed finding Cruz who had already left the building and was on his way to Walmart.
 
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Bob001 said:
The best he can hope for is the possibility of parole decades down the road -- and that's not very likely.
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Although (I think) he looks like Watchmen's Rorschach, I doubt he'll be able to handle or control himself in prison. My bet is they'll have to place him in solitary for his own safety.

And if there was ever a guy who seemed "connected", it would be that dad at the White House listening session there with his three boys.
 
Civet said:
Have teacher's unions been weighing in on the idea of arming teachers? I'd assume they'd be unenthusiastic but I haven't actually heard anything.
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Weren't conservatives complaining about how incompetent teachers are at their jobs? Now they want to give them guns?
 
lobosrul5 said:
So, caution on using CNN as a source, but ugh that makes things even worse.

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html
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Well, that's mighty interesting.

The article goes on to say the Coral Springs police were so disturbed by the deputies' collective inaction that word of it spread up to the mayor, who had tense words with Sheriff Israel about it in public. It seems odd then that Israel's "investigation" singled out Peterson as being especially derelict.
 
crescent said:
I've been hearing this crap for 30 years, it never changes. We don't want your guns. We don't want to take them away. We never did. NOBODY IS COMING FOR YOUR DAMN GUNS! If you think that we want to, you've believed decades of lies.
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I wonder if anyone else hears the implied argument of this slippery slope. If you allow any gun legislation, the NRA and Republicans will stop fighting any upcoming legislation and allow all guns to be taken away. After all, that's how a slippery slope actually happens.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Weren't conservatives complaining about how incompetent teachers are at their jobs? Now they want to give them guns?
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They'll perceive them as competent once they're armed. The only parts of the government conservative politicians are allowed to respect are the parts that involve people carrying guns.
 
Purely as an independent observer

It does make a different watch, this one from normal with the backlash.

Will still fade out in a week till the next big one though
 
I agree, it will fade away, nothing will change and before the end of March there will be another mass shooting and it will all happen again.
 
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