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crescent said:
Plus, some of the injuries and fatalities seem to have been the result of the shooter firing THROUGH the walls, into classrooms he could not enter.

Locked doors have value, but that value is reduced if the walls are not bulletproof, or if there are windows. Making doors and walls bulletproof to 9mm handgun ammo is good. Making them resistant to 5.56 NATO (what M-16, some Ar-15, and others use) is better, making the resistant to 7.62 (AK-47 and others) is even better. At this point though, you are getting into the pretty heavy armor.

To meet the NRA's idea, we would need schools with few to no windows, at least on ground floors, unless we go with "bulletproof" glass, with is thick, expensive, and only stays "bulletproof" for the first few shots. Walls would need to be resistant to 7.62 ammo, which has been used by a number of mass shooters, including the Las Vegas one.

Prisons are like that.
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Beside adopting those slight tweaks to school construction one would suggest making a few small adjustments changes to the school uniform? Perhaps something like this?
 
Yes that could work, but I actually agree with BobTheCoward, what the USA really needs is a monarchy, Trump for KING!
 
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crescent said:
Plus, some of the injuries and fatalities seem to have been the result of the shooter firing THROUGH the walls, into classrooms he could not enter.

Locked doors have value, but that value is reduced if the walls are not bulletproof, or if there are windows...
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I read that Cruz killed one person by firing through a wooden door. IIRC, the person was standing against it to keep the door closed.

This is the first I have heard about Cruz killing by firing through a wall. Do you have a link?
 
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Listening to Wayne LaPierre -- NRA spokesman and whackjob extraordinaire -- address CPAC is enough to make me want to shoot my tv.

About a minute into his speech he mentioned obscure boogeyman Saul Alinski. A tip of the hat to former colleague mhaze.
 
William Parcher said:
This is the first I have heard about Cruz killing by firing through a wall. Do you have a link?
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‘He Shot Through The Walls’: Survivor Of Florida School Shooting

One of the students on last night's town hall show mentioned "walls like tissue paper".

There is also this:

'My school is being shot up'

Hannah, under a teacher's desk, texted her 19-year-old sister Kaitlin.
Hannah:
kaitlin there is a shooter on campus
i am not joking
call 911 please
send them to douglas
Kaitlin:
hannah what
are you serious rn
Hannah:
kaitlin i am not joking they just shot through the walls someone in my class is injured
i am not joking
call mom and dad
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It is possible that the kids mistook shots coming from windows as having come through the walls. I don't know.
 
MikeG said:
How many kids were already dead before the first policeman arrived at the school?
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Probably most. It's reported that the first officer(s) arriving at the scene did hear the final volley of gunshots. But they were too far away to do anything meaningful. The school campus is about 45 acres.
 
varwoche said:
Listening to Wayne LaPierre -- NRA spokesman and whackjob extraordinaire -- address CPAC is enough to make me want to shoot my tv.
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As a counterpoint to LaPierre, I thought it appropriate to include a like to an interview with a person vastly more rational than LaPierre:

 
crescent said:
It is possible that the kids mistook shots coming from windows as having come through the walls. I don't know.
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5.56 is designed to penetrate barriers. Depends on the building.

10cm reinforced concrete walls (common around here) ? Won't go through.

Bricks ? Depends on thickness .. most likely will go through, but will be reduced in effectiveness.

Drywall ? Will go through several without even noticing it's there.
 
crescent said:
One of the students on last night's town hall show mentioned "walls like tissue paper".
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In a hurricane zone?

It is possible that the kids mistook shots coming from windows as having come through the walls. I don't know.
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It looks like just one student Hannah Carbocci is saying a bullet came through a wall. Both of your links reference her.

I think at this time we should say that this is unconfirmed until further notice.
 
I know I probably just missed this information, but I'm still puzzled as to how Cruz got into the school in the first place. When I was in high school, this school-shooting epidemic hadn't begun yet. Columbine was still held as an example of the rarest kind of terrible tragedy. And we still needed to be buzzed into the building by a person in the office if we arrived at the school any time before 7 am or after 7:45 am. All the public schools in the area worked the same way - it wasn't just because I went to private school. In fact, the private schools in my hometown were usually SLOWER to enact security policies like that. For example, all the public schools eventually got metal detectors, but as far as I know, my alma mater still doesn't have them.

So how did a kid who'd already been expelled, as well as widely complained about for exceptionally threatening behavior, make it into the school at all? And when he was walking out with the other students, why didn't anyone say, "Hey, wait a minute - you're not supposed to be here. Didn't you threaten to shoot up the school before? And now here you are. Hey, cop! Over here!" I understand that everyone was quite upset and fleeing, but according to reports I've read, at least one girl spoke to him as they were exiting the school. She said something like, "I always thought it would be YOU who did something like this." ???!

What the hell broke down here?
 
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isissxn said:
I know I probably just missed this information, but I'm still puzzled as to how Cruz got into the school in the first place. When I was in high school, this school-shooting epidemic hadn't begun yet. Columbine was still held as an example of the rarest kind of terrible tragedy. And we still needed to be buzzed into the building by a person in the office if we arrived at the school any time before 7 am or after 7:45 am. All the public schools in the area worked the same way - it wasn't just because I went to private school. In fact, the private schools in my hometown were usually SLOWER to enact security policies like that. For example, all the public schools eventually got metal detectors, but as far as I know, my alma mater still doesn't have them.

So how did a kid who'd already been expelled, as well as widely complained about for exceptionally threatening behavior, make it into the school at all? And when he was walking out with the other students, why didn't anyone say, "Hey, wait a minute - you're not supposed to be here. Didn't you threaten to shoot up the school before? And now here you are. Hey, cop! Over here!" I understand that everyone was quite upset and fleeing, but according to reports I've read, at least one girl spoke to him as they were exiting the school. She said something like, "I always thought it would be YOU who did something like this." ???!

What the hell broke down here?
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Schools are built differently around the country. My entire time in school was made of multiple one story, multi classroom buildings over a small area. front offices were kept in a separate building. In a few cases the building was a long hall where each classroom was entered from door on the outside (like row houses).
 
The school is huge: 3000 students or so - how many would really know him, and of those, how many were not in class at the time?
 
Did Wayne LaPierre really just say that the NRA are the most effective law enforcement agency in the US and then offer their services FOC to schools ?
 
isissxn said:
I know I probably just missed this information, but I'm still puzzled as to how Cruz got into the school in the first place. When I was in high school, this school-shooting epidemic hadn't begun yet. Columbine was still held as an example of the rarest kind of terrible tragedy. And we still needed to be buzzed into the building by a person in the office if we arrived at the school any time before 7 am or after 7:45 am. All the public schools in the area worked the same way - it wasn't just because I went to private school. In fact, the private schools in my hometown were usually SLOWER to enact security policies like that. For example, all the public schools eventually got metal detectors, but as far as I know, my alma mater still doesn't have them.

So how did a kid who'd already been expelled, as well as widely complained about for exceptionally threatening behavior, make it into the school at all? And when he was walking out with the other students, why didn't anyone say, "Hey, wait a minute - you're not supposed to be here. Didn't you threaten to shoot up the school before? And now here you are. Hey, cop! Over here!" I understand that everyone was quite upset and fleeing, but according to reports I've read, at least one girl spoke to him as they were exiting the school. She said something like, "I always thought it would be YOU who did something like this." ???!

What the hell broke down here?
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Does the school have an open or closed campus and what kind of guards did it have at all non locked entrances? Lots of schools do let the students outside and highschools are often able to freely decide where they want to eat lunch for example.
 
David RP said:
Did Wayne LaPierre really just say that the NRA are the most effective law enforcement agency in the US and then offer their services FOC to schools ?
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Murder rate is down since the NRA went gun nut. It has never been safer to be a high schooler.
 
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