Achán hiNidráne
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Papa Funkosophy
I don't know where I fit in this debate.
I am definitely against abortion in non-mom's-health-is-in-jeapordy related situations. I think there is always a better alternative and I wish we spent as much time, energy, and money on those alternatives as we do fighting against abortion.
On the other hand, I am definitely pro-choice in that I do not, in any way, think I am qualified to force my opinion on this level of personal decision on someone else. I say this as a man, someone who has never conceived a child, and someone who has never been in the position of having an unwanted pregnancy.
I think making abortion illegal is a huge waste of resources that could be better spent on more productive ways dealing with pregnancy in our society. I think protesting outside of clinics is the most asinine concept that only ends up terrorizing already emotionally destraught women.
Can I be both pro-life and pro-choice? How about just anti-anti-abortion?
I am definitely against abortion in non-mom's-health-is-in-jeapordy related situations. I think there is always a better alternative and I wish we spent as much time, energy, and money on those alternatives as we do fighting against abortion.
On the other hand, I am definitely pro-choice in that I do not, in any way, think I am qualified to force my opinion on this level of personal decision on someone else. I say this as a man, someone who has never conceived a child, and someone who has never been in the position of having an unwanted pregnancy.
I think making abortion illegal is a huge waste of resources that could be better spent on more productive ways dealing with pregnancy in our society. I think protesting outside of clinics is the most asinine concept that only ends up terrorizing already emotionally destraught women.
Can I be both pro-life and pro-choice? How about just anti-anti-abortion?
Bravo.
This whole debate in our society is absurd. Millions and millions of fertilized eggs/fetuses/unborn babies are rinsed and flushed every single month by sexually active women than will EVER be lost through abortion. And yet, where is the wailing and gnashing of teeth for these "babies?"
What this is really about is one group of people wanting to control another group. They don't give a ◊◊◊◊ about the festuses. If they did, they would be weeping in the streets for the millions who are dying every single month.
Ban menstration I say!!!! All sexually active women are serial killers!
Fengirl
Graduate Poster
What it reveals depends on whether or not one agrees with what czarzy wrote about "romanticizing" the fetus. To you it's clearly "a life" which ought to take priority over the needs or desires of the woman. To others, it's human-tissue-with-potential, and its rights do not take precedence over the rights of a living, breathing person in existence.
If you mean that proper use of contraception should be promoted, I agree completely!
The same one I linked listing reasons women get abortions.
Tissue with potential. Now if that isn't trivializing, I don't know what is.
That is precisely what I mean.
I do get extremely emotional about every abortion. All of them. The whole subject angers me second only to pedophilia.
But I am also a realist. If there was a way to reduce abortions from one million a year to 170,000 a year, I'll freaking take it.
I am all for overturning Roe v. Wade as a matter of my deepest principles. But I know it won't do squat to minimize the number of abortions in America.
But I am also a realist. If there was a way to reduce abortions from one million a year to 170,000 a year, I'll freaking take it.
I am all for overturning Roe v. Wade as a matter of my deepest principles. But I know it won't do squat to minimize the number of abortions in America.
Fengirl
Graduate Poster
I suspect so, too. This is why I think the OP question about abortion in rape cases is so important. The position that “every fetus is a human life which must be preserved” is undermined by allowing for abortion in rape cases. The fact that so many pro-lifers would make that exception suggests that the “sanctity of life” position is actually a smokescreen for other (perhaps unconscious) motives, which ARE about control, moral judgement, and punishment….and not about the plight of “the babies” at all.
Fengirl
Graduate Poster
Tissue with potential. Now if that isn't trivializing, I don't know what is.
Well, I guess we'll disagree on this one. In your view, I'm "trivialising", in my view, I'm just refusing to romanticize.
I agree. It is further evidenced by the fact that many of these people (most?) also oppose birth control, which, if they really care about preventing abortions, you would think they would be all in favor of.
Then why don't you care about the millions MORE that die through failure to implant on the uterine wall?
Are they less than human to you? If so, what is your criterion? It certainly isn't that they are "babies."
Might as well lament about the millions of people who die from cancer...
I would have to see evidence that anything even approaching a majority of people opposed to abortion also oppose birth control.
I do...my wife died that way. I care very much.
So...you admit that you only care about the "babies" who are terminated through abortion. The millions more that die through failure to implant don't affect your emotions at all.
Well, I suggest you don't spread any malarkey about caring about the unborn.
You can only make this conclusion if you believe I do not care about the millions who die from cancer.
And here's something interesting to ponder:
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=253
I was responding to your cancer comment which was apparently a joke. If so, I apologize for misunderstanding.
But, if so, you have not answered my question. Why don't the millions MORE unborn who are dying generate such emotion in you? It's a serious question.
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
And yet we hear of all the millions of federal dollars going to abstinence-only education. Abstinence only.
Yeah, let's not tell them how to put on a life preserver, it will only encourage them to swim. If they swim anyway, they deserve what they get.
Yeah, let's not tell them how to put on a life preserver, it will only encourage them to swim. If they swim anyway, they deserve what they get.
More from my last link.
Now there is a solid majority. Two thirds want to reduce the number of abortions. There is your target. Some people are trying way too hard to polarize this issue. Why not work towards common ground? Reduce the number of abortions. Most people are not opposed to birth control. Even most of the people opposed to abortion. Read the whole link and see for yourselves.
Emotionalism just pushes people in the wrong direction. Away from common ground.
Now there is a solid majority. Two thirds want to reduce the number of abortions. There is your target. Some people are trying way too hard to polarize this issue. Why not work towards common ground? Reduce the number of abortions. Most people are not opposed to birth control. Even most of the people opposed to abortion. Read the whole link and see for yourselves.
Emotionalism just pushes people in the wrong direction. Away from common ground.
Exactly! Which is why, when you realize that abortions account for only a small fraction of the fertilized eggs being terminated, you can relax just a bit. There really is no point in being emotional about it.