theprestige
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Larry Nassar gets 175 years.....
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Thermal
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The discussion of appropriate punishment shouldn't include limitations on that punishment to allow for error?
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
Wrongful convictions are central to the discussion. You just got through suggesting that people who land in prison deserve to be raped, regardless of the nature of their crime.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
The posts I quoted show otherwise. You literally say you hope he gets raped. That's caring.
If you have to twist this hard to defend your position, you may not have a position worth defending. On the other hand, this level of effort does suggest you care very deeply about the issue.
Belz...
Fiend God
Apologies. Many people propose this seriously.
Murder 1, then. Fair enough.
Also fair enough. However I think we have to allow for both rehabilitation and also reparations to an innocent is sent to jail. That's a bit difficult to accomplish if we don't care about the convicts at all.
Again, fair enough. Just make sure that you don't hide a personal desire for vengeance behind claims of putting public safety first.
Yeah, I'll say. You made a bit of a rant about it yesterday. Perhaps comparing the US to other countries is more useful than you let on a day prior.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
I thought this dishonesty deserved its own sidebar:
Nope. My word was "people."
"Subhuman trash" was my interpretation of what you think of them. I offered it to you, and you immediately accepted and adopted the term. I guessed those would be your words, and it seems I guessed right. "Subhuman trash" are your words. Own them.
Nope. My word was "people."
"Subhuman trash" was my interpretation of what you think of them. I offered it to you, and you immediately accepted and adopted the term. I guessed those would be your words, and it seems I guessed right. "Subhuman trash" are your words. Own them.
dudalb
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Smart Cookie, you totally lost me with your attitude toward conditions in prisons.
Main point is put them in a position where they cannot contirue to prey on the general population. Nor am I against giving them an opportunity to rehabilitate themselves. I don't think anything is guaranteed by having a Devil's Island a la "Papillion" on our hands.
BTW I am against privately ran prisons, because they are so supceptible to abuse. I just wonder how widespread it is.
And what constitutes a privately ran prison anyway? If a state prison system decides to contract out a specific area .like hiring a firm to run the food operations,does that constitute a "private prison".
Main point is put them in a position where they cannot contirue to prey on the general population. Nor am I against giving them an opportunity to rehabilitate themselves. I don't think anything is guaranteed by having a Devil's Island a la "Papillion" on our hands.
BTW I am against privately ran prisons, because they are so supceptible to abuse. I just wonder how widespread it is.
And what constitutes a privately ran prison anyway? If a state prison system decides to contract out a specific area .like hiring a firm to run the food operations,does that constitute a "private prison".
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Listen or your ears will make you deaf. For the umpteenth time....
I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR RAPE IN PRISONS OR HAVING IT AS PART OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM; I JUST DON'T CARE!
I'm sorry I have had to scream this out loudly, but its bloody frustrating when posters here intentionally pretend to not understand what I have said, and intentionally attribute things to me that I haven't said.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Fair enough. I was going to quote your own words back in your face but decided not to after re-reading what you posted.
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You said:
Which intimates a certain degree of glee at the prospect of prison rape as punishment and it explicitly states that you hope it happens.
How on earth can both of these statements be true?
Thermal
August Member
Yes. That's exactly what I said, that you are indifferent to barbaric cruelty in the flawed prison system. You think that is a reasoned position for a civilized human to hold?
BTW, I agree that child molesters are the lowest criminals there are. But a standard of justice has to be morally superior to its worst offenders.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
How do you explain posts where you said you hoped he would be raped, and where you said he didn't deserve better than that? Those don't really seem like the posts of someone who doesn't care.
I've tried to be very scrupulous about only attributing things to you that you actually said. I think I can back up my attributions with quotes from you. You're welcome to point out where I've failed to do this. But I'm hoping you will actually focus on explaining the meaning, and the apparent caring, in the posts I've quoted. Especially the one where you hope he gets raped. Because that really does seem like you care a lot.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Look, you want to reform the conditions in prisons, thats fine, but conditions in prisons is not my issue and it never was. Its not something I care about Sure, isolate the anal rapists so that they can't harm other prisoners. Isolate victims too if need be.
Rehabilitation should only be applied if it can be just about guaranteed that the released prisoner is no more likely to re-offend than any other member of the public. In the USA, the reoffending rate was between 68 and 77% in 2005. I'd be interested to know if that has improved. As mentioned by Information Analyst, Scandinavian countries have the lowest re-offending rates, and they only get down to 50%... not good enough!
smartcooky
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Do I really have to explain this? OK, I guess I do
Whether or not he gets a butt-reaming, I don't care, but if he does, I hope its painful. The pain is to be a reflection of the pain and suffering he inflicted on others
I thought I made this clear.... seems I might have to use words of one syllable for some
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theprestige
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ouch
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If you have to wriggle like this, and, frankly it's starting to look a little ridiculous, especially in conjunction with your very obviously increasing ire, don't you think that maybe you might be wise to re-examine your own position particularly with attention to cognitive dissonance and emotional, rather than rational thinking?
And, with that said, I'm, done with you, there's no value here.
CORed
Penultimate Amazing
For crimes that carry less than a life sentence, rehabilitation should be a priority, and I don't think it's cost effective or just to sentence every burglar or credit card fraudster to a life sentence. The prison system as it currently functions (or fails to function) in the US seems to be dedicated to anti-rehabilitation. Once someone gets into the system, they are almost guaranteed to re-offend when they get out. It's insane.
As far as Larry Nassar is concerned, I have no problem at all with him spending the rest of his life in prison.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
And The head of Atheletics at Michigan State resigns.....
It's when the s--t hit the fan at US Gymnastics that it's going to get really interesting....
It's when the s--t hit the fan at US Gymnastics that it's going to get really interesting....
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
For me, the use of violence in commison of a crime that is the big dividing point.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Its not a "wriggle" is just plain English.