Larry Nassar gets 175 years.....

CORed said:
For crimes that carry less than a life sentence, rehabilitation should be a priority, and I don't think it's cost effective or just to sentence every burglar or credit card fraudster to a life sentence. The prison system as it currently functions (or fails to function) in the US seems to be dedicated to anti-rehabilitation. Once someone gets into the system, they are almost guaranteed to re-offend when they get out. It's insane.
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No-one is advocating this are they?

As for pre-meditated murder and child molesation.. I think Life should mean Life... the criminal never gets out

CORed said:
As far as Larry Nassar is concerned, I have no problem at all with him spending the rest of his life in prison.
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Some here, however, think that rehabilitation is a higher priority than punishment or public safety.

Nuff said!
 
dudalb said:
And The head of Atheletics at Michigan State resigns.....


It's when the s--t hit the fan at US Gymnastics that it's going to get really interesting....
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The collateral damage from this affair could be huge and widespread... perhaps as far as a total cleanout at USAG and USOC, both of whom appear complicit in the cover up of Nassar's crimes.

:popcorn2
 
smartcooky said:
No-one is advocating this are they?

As for pre-meditated murder and child molesation.. I think Life should mean Life... the criminal never gets out



100%

Some here, however, think that rehabilitation is a higher priority than punishment or public safety.

Nuff said!
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I know nobody here advocates life sentences for property crimes, but, failing to rehabilitate people who are not under life sentences is detrimental to public safety, and, in many cases, the result is the offenders spending most of their adult lives in prison, a few years at a time.
 
dudalb said:
And The head of Atheletics at Michigan State resigns.....


It's when the s--t hit the fan at US Gymnastics that it's going to get really interesting....
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As in the Penn State - Sandusky case, I am flabbergasted that so many people were more concerned with not rocking the boat than they were with protecting the victims. What the hell is wrong with these people?
 
smartcooky said:
Some here, however, think that rehabilitation is a higher priority than punishment or public safety.

Nuff said!
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Who has said that rehabilitation is a higher priority than punishment or public safety? Given how sensitive you are about being misquoted when you hope for painful arse-rape and how you are indifferent to it being applied arbitrarily in prison by other inmates, you should really take more care to correctly characterize the views of other people.
 
CORed said:
I know nobody here advocates life sentences for property crimes, but, failing to rehabilitate people who are not under life sentences is detrimental to public safety, and, in many cases, the result is the offenders spending most of their adult lives in prison, a few years at a time.
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Like I have said numerous times, rehab is fine for, shall we say, non-violent property crimes, just so long as it meets well defined criteria, i.e. the chances of the paroled/released prisoner reoffending should be no greater than the public rate of criminal offending. As of 2016 the crime rate of the United States of America was about 2837 per 100,000 of the national population (386/100000 crimes of violence, 2451/100000 property crimes)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-1

That is about 2.8%. If rehabilitated prisoners re-offend at rate significantly greater than this, then its not working.
 
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dudalb said:
The problem is that ,as someone stated Psychology is a inexact science.

Fact is ,some offenders can be rehabilitated and others can't. I am particularly skeptical that serial killers and others whose acts are motivitated by severe mental problems can be surely "cured'.
But don't what reality interefere with "feel good" lefty dogma...
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This is so much dumb. Just because something is an inexact science it doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t try to improve things. Besides who is advocating rehabilitation for serial killers or that they can be “surely cured”?
 
smartcooky said:
Like I have said numerous times, rehab is fine for, shall we say, non-violent property crimes, just so long as it meets well defined criteria, i.e. the chances of the paroled/released prisoner reoffending should be no greater than the public rate of criminal offending. As of 2016 the crime rate of the United States of America was about 2837 per 100,000 of the national population (386/100000 crimes of violence, 2451/100000 property crimes)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-1

That is about 2.8%. If rehabilitated prisoners re-offend at rate greater than this, then its not working.
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Ha! Oh my word. Is that your own theory?

Dude, if you start with a self-selected sample of incarcerated shoplifters you can bet that they will shoplift at a higher rate than the general population that includes the elderly and the infirm. There is going to be recidivism unless you keep the shoplifters incarcerated for life. The only way you can know if rehabilitation has some positive effect is if you have a controlled study with a treatment groups and the control group receiving no rehabilitative. If the first groups reoffends at a statistically significant rate lower than the second then you would have evidence it is somewhat effective (assuming you can control for other confounding factors).
 
Checkmite said:
The entire board of USA Gymnastics will resign, responding to an ultimatum from the USOC demanding exactly that, among other things.

But some are questioning whether this is buck-passing by the USOC. Nassar didn't just work under the auspices of USA Gymnastics, he was also on the USOC's medical advisory board.
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Yeah, I smell CYA (Cover Your Ass) in the ASOC ultimatum. Glad to see the contemptible jerks in USA Gymnistics go, but I don't want the probe to stop there.
 
CORed said:
As in the Penn State - Sandusky case, I am flabbergasted that so many people were more concerned with not rocking the boat than they were with protecting the victims. What the hell is wrong with these people?
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Particular since it has been shown time and time again that this stuff will leak out......
 
smartcooky said:
And that's a great big "I don't give a ****"!

Don't want to get arse-reamed in a prison? Simple; don't commit crimes!!!
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Taking into account that this kind of attitude, of condoning rape and other forms of abuse against detainees, is prevalent throughout the US and is the primary reason why American prisons are so awful, it's no wonder the rest of your society is awful.

Fyodor Dostoyevsky said that "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons". Based on how you treat some of the most vulnerable individuals, imprisoned people stripped of most of their freedom and autonomy, other Americans can't possibly expect to be treated well by others.
 
dudalb said:
Yeah, I smell CYA (Cover Your Ass) in the ASOC ultimatum. Glad to see the contemptible jerks in USA Gymnistics go, but I don't want the probe to stop there.
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Yep.

USOC's action definitely smells like a blame game, and an attempt to take the moral high ground. It ain't gonna wash... both Michigan State and USOC are named as defendant in Mckayla Maroney's law suit against USAG. They will ALL have some very difficult questions to answer.
 
Arcade22 said:
Taking into account that this kind of attitude, of condoning rape and other forms of abuse against detainees, is prevalent throughout the US and is the primary reason why American prisons are so awful, it's no wonder the rest of your society is awful.

Fyodor Dostoyevsky said that "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons". Based on how you treat some of the most vulnerable individuals, imprisoned people stripped of most of their freedom and autonomy, other Americans can't possibly expect to be treated well by others.
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The poster you are criticizing is from New Zealand
 
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