Proof of Immortality, VII

[Jabba]

In the past there have been various warnings and prohibitions about activities at Jabba's web site. For the present, I will try to summarize the intent of those previous warnings and prohibitions.

First and foremost, Jabba's web site had been compromised. It was serving malicious content. If and only if that has been resolved may any link to the web site be provided.

Second, recruiting people from here to discuss Jabba's theories there is prohibited. It is rude, too, to attempt to steal our membership. This is a perfectly fine place to discuss things, so discuss things here.

Third, Jabba's web site may not be used as a vehicle to proxy a conversation with someone. If someone else is to react and to respond to discussion here, they must come here to do so.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jsfisher

I will also point out that members here own their posts. The ISF may reproduce and compile the posts, because that's a condition of use for this site. Others don't have that right without the permission of the post owner. Although not an actual Membership Agreement matter, it is still damn rude to not get permission.

Posted By: jsfisher

js,
- At this point, I have two websites, one of which is old and will be dropped as soon as I can do the necessary transferring. As far as I know it has no
"malware," or the like, attached.
- The other site is current, and also clean -- as far as I know. My proposed map is on this second site.
- I wanted to use this map like detectives do on TV with their "murder boards." I need to be able to refer back to my old summary, and to change it as info develops. Nobody here wants to go to my site, so I'll just repeat and revise as we go along -- right here.
- By referring members to my site, I was trying to avoid taking up the extra space on this site with the need to constantly repeat my summary. Currently, I'm thinking that space, here, is not anything to worry about.

- I suppose this post could be considered off topic, but I'm just responding to what a moderator said on this thread...

 

[Jabba]

- I'll add Jay's list of claims/objections to my list in my next post.

 

[John Jones]

js,
- At this point, I have two websites, one of which is old and will be dropped as soon as I can do the necessary transferring. As far as I know it has no
"malware," or the like, attached.
- The other site is current, and also clean -- as far as I know. My proposed map is on this second site.
- I wanted to use this map like detectives do on TV with their "murder boards." I need to be able to refer back to my old summary, and to change it as info develops. Nobody here wants to go to my site, so I'll just repeat and revise as we go along -- right here.
- By referring members to my site, I was trying to avoid taking up the extra space on this site with the need to constantly repeat my summary. Currently, I'm thinking that space, here, is not anything to worry about.
- I suppose this post could be considered off topic, but I'm just responding to what a moderator said on this thread...

There was never any need to constantly repeat your summary, and you have been told this so many times I've lost count. What you need to do is support your summary, which you have not done.

 

[jond]

js,
- At this point, I have two websites, one of which is old and will be dropped as soon as I can do the necessary transferring. As far as I know it has no
"malware," or the like, attached.
- The other site is current, and also clean -- as far as I know. My proposed map is on this second site.
- I wanted to use this map like detectives do on TV with their "murder boards." I need to be able to refer back to my old summary, and to change it as info develops. Nobody here wants to go to my site, so I'll just repeat and revise as we go along -- right here.
- By referring members to my site, I was trying to avoid taking up the extra space on this site with the need to constantly repeat my summary. Currently, I'm thinking that space, here, is not anything to worry about.

- I suppose this post could be considered off topic, but I'm just responding to what a moderator said on this thread...

And once again you ignore the important point:

Others don't have that right without the permission of the post owner. Although not an actual Membership Agreement matter, it is still damn rude to not get permission.

 

[JoeMorgue]

- I'll add Jay's list of claims/objections to my list in my next post.

No one cares Jabba. You're not listening to anyone.

You have zero credibility. You've openly admitted a dishonest ulterior motive. You've been massively rude and intellectually offensive.

 

[JayUtah]

- I'll add Jay's list of claims/objections to my list in my next post.

Your next post where? I do not consent to your attempts to take this discussion elsewhere to a venue you control. I do not consent to your use of my rebuttals to try to make you look good elsewhere.

You began this debate here. I have answered your debate here. If you have something to say to or about me, say it here.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

With you as the editor? I don't trust you one bit.

See the time Jabba "forgot" how to authorise posts to his blog.

 

[JayUtah]

At this point, I have two websites...

Nobody gives a damn about your websites, Jabba. If you started a debate here that you can only finish by transplanting the material to a venue you control and edit, just like you did before, then you lose, just like you did before. Man up and admit it.

Nobody here wants to go to my site...

Nobody here is obliged to go to your website, or even talk about it, as a condition of continuing a debate you began here. And there is no use pretending that your purpose this time is any different than your purpose before in trying this: to edit the discussion here to make it seem as if you won. You've been trying to manipulate this forum and everyone in it toward that end since Day One.

so I'll just repeat and revise as we go along -- right here.

No, we went through this six months ago. The format of this forum is quite sufficient and it works for every other debate and every other proponent. As long as you're here, you can follow the convention like everyone else, so stop being such a prima donna. Your practice of making every one of your posts a complete anthology of everything that followed is annoying and unnecessary and you know that. Trying to hold the forum hostage by claiming you'll just spam it with your "summaries" is little more than terrorism. Please try to come up with a grown-up argument, not the tantrums of a child stamping and whining until he gets what he wants.

By referring members to my site, I was trying to avoid taking up the extra space on this site with the need to constantly repeat my summary.

There is no need to constantly repeat your summary.

I suppose this post could be considered off topic, but I'm just responding to what a moderator said on this thread...

There's a separate part of the forum for that. This is the part of the forum where you defend your proof for immortality. But since you refuse to address any of the refutations, I consider your proof conclusively refuted. The only question remaining is whether you will face that fact.

 

[Agatha]

You never need to repeat your summary, simply link to a post where you made it. We are all capable of following links.

This is where the discussion is, not your website where you can edit or misrepresent the copypasta that you fill it with.

Please, Jabba, will you do us all the courtesy of responding to people here on this website.

 

[Belz...]

- I wanted to use this map like detectives do on TV with their "murder boards."

Oh, you mean like in fiction rather than in reality. How fitting.

 

[jond]

Any neutral audience members will be well aware that most of the members posting in this thread expressly forbade Jabba to quote their posts on his blog. Further, those neutral audience members will also be aware that they made clear their reason for forbidding Jabba to quote them on his blog. That Jabba is back to doing so would indicate to any neutral audience that he is not a trustworthy poster.

 

[sackett]

If I may repeat, or even multipeat, myself:

Jabba, you can use anything at all from any of my posts here or elsewhere, in any way you like, in any map, blog, page, or finger painting you like.

Yessir! Any goddamned thing at all!

 

[JoeMorgue]

At this point, I have two websites, one of which is old and will be dropped as soon as I can do the necessary transferring.

NO ONE CARES. Get it through your head we are NOT here to help you create your silly "Lookit at me beat the skeptics" fan fiction site.

As far as I know it has no."malware," or the like, attached.

Your arguments are malware.

The other site is current, and also clean -- as far as I know. My proposed map is on this second site.

NO ONE CARES. Jabba how is it that you don't get that we don't want you to take our arguments here and use them for your infintile purposes elsewhere.

I wanted to use this map like detectives do on TV with their "murder boards." I need to be able to refer back to my old summary, and to change it as info develops.

We know Jabba. You want to use the absolute intellectual curb stomping you've received here and use it to a construct a fiction you can publish elsewhere as some sort of hideously dishonest masturbatory exercise.

Your "Roadmap" is a lie. Nothing else. A bold faced lie. Something you're making up to convince yourself you've won. It's dishonest, rude, and amazingly childish.

I think you're mistaking "I'm never going to grow up" which obviously are never going to do with "I'm never going to die."

 

[JoeMorgue]

Any neutral audience members will be well aware that most of the members posting in this thread expressly forbade Jabba to quote their posts on his blog. Further, those neutral audience members will also be aware that they made clear their reason for forbidding Jabba to quote them on his blog. That Jabba is back to doing so would indicate to any neutral audience that he is not a trustworthy poster.

Seeing as how there is no neutral audience...

 

[aleCcowaN]

Well, there's no risk anyone is going to read Jabba's new website.

I didn't find links back here, but there are many characters participating in conversations with Jabba: Mojo, Agatha, Dave, Waterman, ToonTown, LossLeader, etc., generally giving him short hints so he is getting closer to the answer

Jabba still continues to claim he has masters and a phD (not clear in what), to have been almost a straight A student, and also to be a certified statistician.

 

[JayUtah]

Seeing as how there is no neutral audience...

I'm pretty sure he's looking for the sycophantic audiences he's had at some of the religious sites he has previously posted at regrading the Shroud of Turin, where they fawn all over him and his "missionary work" in the face of "those atheists."

What typically happens is that some member of a faith community becomes minimally conversant in a secular field pertaining to the faith. Then that person goes into the lion's den, so to speak, and gets his head handed to him by experts. Because, after all, he's objectively wrong and they can prove it. But paradoxically he goes back to the faith community with that experience in hand and convinces them that he's the one who's been right from the secular standpoint, convinces them that he's beaten "those atheists" at their own game, even if they don't concede that. He only needs to know enough about the secular science to make up something that sounds plausible to the faithful, even if it's pure gibberish. None of his intended audience will know the slightest thing about the materialist hypothesis. None of them will know the slightest thing about Bayes' theorem, or about statistics in general. They'll just see a pile of equations and philosophy-sounding language and assume that Jabba is doing it right.

None of them will come to this forum, especially if Jabba gives them instead a digest site that purports to distill five years' worth of debate into something they can read in sixty seconds while they're on the can. Let's face it, we can't even get skeptics to read all seven chapters of this debate from the beginning. Certainly none of his intended audience will. This is why Jabba has absolutely no interest in actually debating here. This debate is just a set piece in his drama.

 

[JayUtah]

....and also to be a certified statistician.

So I'm guessing he didn't copypaste over the part here where he wrote out Bayes' theorem and then confessed he really didn't understand how it worked.

What a liar.

 

[RoboTimbo]

- I'll add Jay's list of claims/objections to my list in my next post.

If you have to lie, Jabba, what's the point? You know you've been proven wrong in thousands of posts and you know you've lied about it and you know you'll have to lie at whatever blog you're exporting the argument to by dishonest editing. Everyone here knows it.

So what's the point? Why devote your life to a lie?

 

[aleCcowaN]

So I'm guessing he didn't copypaste over the part here where he wrote out Bayes' theorem and then confessed he really didn't understand how it worked.

What a liar.

Well, at least he admitted his incompetence about Bayes'. Maybe he got straight C minus in his statistics studies [I was under the impression that A, B, C, etc were grades for K-12 students and 0 to 4 were the grades in universities and colleges]

 

[JayUtah]

If you have to lie, Jabba, what's the point? You know you've been proven wrong in thousands of posts and you know you've lied about it and you know you'll have to lie at whatever blog you're exporting the argument to by dishonest editing. Everyone here knows it.

So what's the point? Why devote your life to a lie?

In some faith communities, but not all, lying "for Jesus" is acceptable because it uses the devil's tactics against him. Little white lies are morally acceptable if they lead to the greater good of strengthening the faith and confounding the adversary.

But really it's just ego reinforcement. Jabba is constructing a fantasy world in which he's the hero. He defines heroism for himself as having academic prowess, being smarter than everyone else, and having made giant strides in the academic world. None of that is true, of course -- some of it even by his own admission here, even if he claims otherwise elsewhere. He needs as many real people to play into his fantasy world as possible, so that it seems more real to him. That's why he desperately needs his "map" and all the stuff he's poaching from here to arrange in it, patchwork fashion. That's why he admitted it would be emotionally devastating for him not to be able to complete his proof. It's emotionally devastating because it's what he's based his ego on, instead of upon facts. It's really quite childish and selfish.