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Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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CapelDodger said:
This, of course, is why we have procedures, which seriously limit the effect of individual bias.
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It's also why we expect people to have professionalism. It's insane to expect people to not have opinions but we do expect them to set aside their opinions in order to do their job properly.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No one seems to be considering that Strzok might just hate Trump partially because of the evidence he was seeing about Trump in the investigation.
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From what I've seen Strzok's opinions of Trump were pretty mainstream - essentially, that he is a vile and odious person, which is obvious without any inside information. In fact, Trump goes to some effort to display the fact to as wide an audience as he can reach.
 
Stacko said:
It's also why we expect people to have professionalism. It's insane to expect people to not have opinions but we do expect them to set aside their opinions in order to do their job properly.
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Quite.

People like logger assume that bias determines conclusions because that's how it works for them. Start with the bias, form the conclusion according to it, then fill the space between with selected or invented "data" and motivated inference. With some gibes aimed at Hillary Clinton shoehorned in, of course.

Mueller's case, when it's presented, will not look like that at all. His professionalism is beyond reasonable question.
 
Stacko said:
It's also why we expect people to have professionalism. It's insane to expect people to not have opinions but we do expect them to set aside their opinions in order to do their job properly.
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Lol
Libs can never be trusted to do this. Their ideology is a higher calling. The actions of leftist are all over the news.
 
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Stacko said:
It's also why we expect people to have professionalism. It's insane to expect people to not have opinions but we do expect them to set aside their opinions in order to do their job properly.
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"We" might expect that.

Conservatives obviously don't. Their opinions take precedence over everything else. Duty. Responsibility. Facts.

Everything.

Anything that doesn't conform to their opinions they ignore or reject.

They can't conceive of anyone responding any other way, so of course everyone else allows their bias to influence the way they perform their jobs.
 
logger said:
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Libs can never be trusted to do this. Their ideology is a higher calling. The actions of leftist are all over the news.
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As happens occasionally, you use a broad brush and manage to hit the wrong people.

There are millions of people in government service. All over the world. Ultimately they serve the public, but do it through political masters.

Millions of them will be 'leftist' by your personal standard. Myself included.

I have my political opinions, but I absolutely do not let them affect my professional conduct. It depends on individual roles of course, some are more directly political than others, but I deal with data, information, facts, and I do so in an objective and unbiased way.

Of course I would say that, but I guess I'm just trying to say, don't judge a huge population by what you decide must be true from news reports about a few individuals. Political bias is not a day-to-day part of government service. It simply isn't.
 
Uh-oh, now the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board jumps ship: The FBI’s Trump ‘Insurance’

Behind a paywall, but at least partly freed here:

WSJ said:
[...] Public confidence isn’t helped by the continuing Justice and FBI refusal to cooperate with Congress. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who supervises Mr. Mueller, toed the Mueller-FBI line on Wednesday before the House Oversight Committee. He repeated FBI Director Christopher Wray’s preposterous excuse that he can’t answer questions because of an Inspector General probe. And he wouldn’t elaborate on the news that Nellie Ohr, the wife of senior Justice official Bruce Ohr, worked for Fusion GPS, which hired Mr. Steele to gin up his dossier.

The man who should be most disturbed by all this is Mr. Mueller, who wants his evidence and conclusions to be credible with the public. Evidence is building instead that some officials at the FBI—who have worked for him—may have interfered in an American presidential election. Congress needs to insist on its rights as a co-equal branch of government to discover the truth.
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Childlike Empress said:
Uh-oh, now the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board jumps ship: The FBI’s Trump ‘Insurance’

Behind a paywall, but at least partly freed here:
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Lol

No, the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board has not "jumped ship"; they've always been aboard SS Trump. Last month, they were pushing the same line as Fox News that Mueller's investigation can't be trusted because "the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee jointly paid for that infamous 'dossier' full of Russian disinformation against Donald Trump." They also never miss an opportunity to insinuate that the FBI faked the evidence that Russia hacked the emails.
 
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quadraginta said:
"We" might expect that.

Conservatives obviously don't. Their opinions take precedence over everything else. Duty. Responsibility. Facts.

Everything.

Anything that doesn't conform to their opinions they ignore or reject.

They can't conceive of anyone responding any other way, so of course everyone else allows their bias to influence the way they perform their jobs.
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And here they are conceding a massive lapse in professionalism over their attempts to shape the story.

The Justice Department acknowledged in a statement on Thursday night that copies of private text messages exchanged between two former special counsel investigators were disclosed to certain members of the media before they were given to Congress, even though those disclosures "were not authorized."

DOJ spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores told Politico that the text messages exchanged between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were given to key members of the House Judiciary Committee the night before Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's public testimony on Wednesday.

The DOJ's Public Affairs division shared the same messages with a group of reporters after they were shared with the lawmakers, Flores said. But some members of the media "had already received copies."

“As we understand now, some members of the media had already received copies of the texts before that — but those disclosures were not authorized by the department,” she said.

Business Insider first reported the Justice Department's unusual invitation to a small group of reporters to travel to the DOJ on Tuesday night and view the private text messages Strzok and Page exchanged between 2015 and 2016.
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It's like they cherry picked what and who they released early to in order to manufacture a scandal.
 
Doubting the intelligence, Trump pursues Putin and leaves a Russian threat unchecked

Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., CIA Director John Brennan and National Security Agency chief Michael S. Rogers flew together aboard an Air Force 737. FBI Director James B. Comey traveled separately on an FBI Gulfstream aircraft, planning to extend his stay for meetings with bureau officials.

The mood was heavy. The four men had convened a virtual meeting the previous evening, speaking by secure videoconference to plan their presentation to the incoming president of a classified report on Russia’s election interference and its pro-Trump objective.
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Following a rehearsed plan, Clapper functioned as moderator, yielding to Brennan and others on key points in the briefing, which covered the most highly classified information U.S. spy agencies had assembled, including an extraordinary CIA stream of intelligence that had captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation.​
 
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