Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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logger said:
Way to once again completely miss what is happening here.
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Lol

Sorry, I should have been clear that I wasn't much interested in that "sting" nonsense you linked to (lol which would actually make the Trump administration look even more guilty if true). What I was referring to is your flailing around for something to believe that might stop the walls from closing in on that bunch of *********** morons.
 
WilliamSeger said:
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Sorry, I should have been clear that I wasn't much interested in that "sting" nonsense you linked to (lol which would actually make the Trump administration look even more guilty if true). What I was referring to is your flailing around for something to believe that might stop the walls from closing in on that bunch of *********** morons.
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lol

Sure that’s reasonable.


Im not surprised that you aren’t interested. Makes it more exciting!
 
logger said:
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Sure that’s reasonable.


Im not surprised that you aren’t interested. Makes it more exciting!
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lol

Oh, I'm quite sure TrumpCo would love to catch whoever has been leaking. If they do, I'm just amused at the thought of you saying, "They caught the guy who was leaking fake news to the Post." :p
 
WilliamSeger said:
Really? Trump supporters are so desperate that they consider that a "bombshell?" Steele kept working on the dossier after the contract ended and on trying to get the information somewhere it would make a difference, because he thought it was important that the Republican candidate was compromised by Russians. I would expect him to contact the Obama administration. If he hadn't, I'd wonder why.

I hate to admit how much I'm enjoying your squirming. :p
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The purpose of the Steele document was not some high and mighty quest for the truth but someone being paid (first by a conservative anti-Trumper and later by by pro-Hillary elements) to come up with allegations and dirt on Trump. If Steele came up with any info that tended to exonerate Trump what possible motive could he have for including it given that he was being paid to do exactly the opposite?
 
Iamafalser said:
The purpose of the Steele document was not some high and mighty quest for the truth but someone being paid (first by a conservative anti-Trumper and later by by pro-Hillary elements) to come up with allegations and dirt on Trump. If Steele came up with any info that tended to exonerate Trump what possible motive could he have for including it given that he was being paid to do exactly the opposite?
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It's called integrity. Some people actually have it. ...snip...
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If you look at the sequence of events, regardless of who paid Steele, no one paid him to take the information he had uncovered to the FBI. He did that on his own because he was alarmed by the facts he was uncovering.

In addition, much of the information in the dossier has been corroborated by additional sources. You might want to look into that.
 
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Iamafalser said:
If Steele came up with any info that tended to exonerate Trump what possible motive could he have for including it given that he was being paid to do exactly the opposite?
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He wouldn't include the exonerating information, but it's reasonable to expect that he would exclude the dirt that turns out to be nothing. It's very likely there's a lot of stuff that wasn't included for this very reason.
 
Iamafalser said:
The purpose of the Steele document was not some high and mighty quest for the truth but someone being paid (first by a conservative anti-Trumper and later by by pro-Hillary elements) to come up with allegations and dirt on Trump. If Steele came up with any info that tended to exonerate Trump what possible motive could he have for including it given that he was being paid to do exactly the opposite?
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
He wouldn't include the exonerating information, but it's reasonable to expect that he would exclude the dirt that turns out to be nothing. It's very likely there's a lot of stuff that wasn't included for this very reason.
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Yes, I'm trying to work out how that could occur.

"I've found evidence that he has corrupt business dealings with Russians and that Putin could blackmail him, but I have found evidence for a perfectly innocent explanation"
 
WilliamSeger said:
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Oh, I'm quite sure TrumpCo would love to catch whoever has been leaking. If they do, I'm just amused at the thought of you saying, "They caught the guy who was leaking fake news to the Post." :p
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Do you get any kind of clue on what you just posted? It was fabulous, thanks!
 
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logger said:
Do you get any kind of clue on what you just posted? It was fabulous, thanks!
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Yep, but it's not funny if I have to explain it.

Trump claims anything that doesn't flatter Trump to be "fake news" of course, but he explicitly accuses the media of fabricating disinformation to make him look bad and undermine his administration. But if that's really what the Post is doing, then why is he looking for leakers? And regardless of his motive, what does it really imply if he finds one?
 
WilliamSeger said:
Yep, but it's not funny if I have to explain it.

Trump claims anything that doesn't flatter Trump to be "fake news" of course, but he explicitly accuses the media of fabricating disinformation to make him look bad and undermine his administration. But if that's really what the Post is doing, then why is he looking for leakers? And regardless of his motive, what does it really imply if he finds one?
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Here’s a clue for you. Trump isn’t necessarily behind finding these leaks, Sessions is. Knowing the Trump/Sessions relationship, Trump is out of the loop.

If one is found and obviously there are many more, it proves that the departments have been politicized. Thanks for playin.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
He wouldn't include the exonerating information, but it's reasonable to expect that he would exclude the dirt that turns out to be nothing. It's very likely there's a lot of stuff that wasn't included for this very reason.
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You mean like the pee tape stuff? How is that at all relevant to Trump illegally colluding with Russia to subvert the will of the American people?
 
logger said:
Here’s a clue for you. Trump isn’t necessarily behind finding these leaks, Sessions is. Knowing the Trump/Sessions relationship, Trump is out of the loop.

If one is found and obviously there are many more, it proves that the departments have been politicized. Thanks for playin.
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Lol

You're suggesting Trump is so clueless, he just thinks it's all fake news, but the people who know they're in deep doo-doo are looking for leakers? Other than making the joke even funnier, what does that do?

But yes, it implies that the "departments have been politicized" with Trump's mortal enemies: truth-tellers.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
He wouldn't include the exonerating information, but it's reasonable to expect that he would exclude the dirt that turns out to be nothing.
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Quite. He would take account of information "tending to exonerate" in order to maintain the quality of his product. Apart from anything else, if Steele finds this information so could somebody else and he'd be called on it.

It's very likely there's a lot of stuff that wasn't included for this very reason.
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His livelihood depends on his reputation for reliability, after all, and that's taking absolutely no harm from the spitballs of Childlike Empress and logger.

This is where the idea that Steele fabricated dirt to satisfy his customers. Nobody will pay for material that won't stand up to inspection: if they want that they'll make it up themselves or get it free from Alex Jones. Like Trump does.

Besides which, the real business is going on around the Trump Tower meeting, entirely unrelated to Steele. Thank you, Fredo.
 
WilliamSeger said:
But yes, it implies that the "departments have been politicized" with Trump's mortal enemies: truth-tellers.
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Lol

As if any Republican President wouldn’t be their mortal enemy. At least you have now been shown and you agree that both agencies have been hopelessly politicized. And even though you think that’s a great thing, it isn’t. Thanks for playin!
 
logger said:
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As if any Republican President wouldn’t be their mortal enemy. At least you have now been shown and you agree that both agencies have been hopelessly politicized. And even though you think that’s a great thing, it isn’t. Thanks for playin!
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Nope, what has been shown it that the Trump administration would like to "hopelessly politicize" anyone and anything that threatens to expose whatever it is that they are trying so hard to cover up. And it's been shown that 32% of likely voters are incredibly gullible.
 
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