Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny

thaiboxerken said:
Is this where you get to make your own definition of government entity that is exclusive to you?

You are wrong. When you said that it is up to the Senators and constituents, you are referring to the Senate and those who vote for them. Nice try, though.
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Also, it is between them because it is the most readily obvious people whose arbitrary rules he has agreed to abide to. If he still has a blockbuster membership it is between him and their terms of service. Not her.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Also, it is between them because it is the most readily obvious people whose arbitrary rules he has agreed to abide to. If he still has a blockbuster membership it is between him and their terms of service. Not her.
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Yes, the Senate is a government entity that can take action against him. I agree. The other government entity being the voters at election.
 
thaiboxerken said:
It is exactly the same thing. This is strange to be arguing with a person over such elementary knowledge.
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There is a reason we have the phrase "the whole is (equal/greater/lesser) than the sum of its parts." There is a notion that a body is different from the parts.
 
Oystein said:
This seems to be her original version. I am aware of that. I asked for a citation for the claim that she PERSISTS in claiming he "groped" her, ideally after it has been pointed out that at least in the photo, he was not groping her.
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Thanks for explaining to the former Hooters waitress what happened to her in the photo and how she was wrong about it.

Good golly thank Christ that she has woke liberal men to explain to her that she was wrong about getting *********** groped because they saw the same picture she did.

Oh man.... Not sure how he missed the reference to she persisted either
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
It boggles the mind. I say, surely other men were worse, and ask, why is Tweeden so obsessed with Franken?
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Almost certainly some other man was worse with her. But there is a distinct possibility that person is, you know, a nobody, a person with no power, just some overly hands-y Hooters patron who works the graveyard shift at Circle K.

As for her "obsession", I would note that she kept quiet about it for a decade; it was only when this apparent watershed moment with all the other women coming forward about sexual harassment and assault that she told her story. Had she come forward back in 2008, there is a strong possibility that Al Franken would never have become a Senator in the first place.
 
Brainster said:
Almost certainly some other man was worse with her. But there is a distinct possibility that person is, you know, a nobody, a person with no power, just some overly hands-y Hooters patron who works the graveyard shift at Circle K.

As for her "obsession", I would note that she kept quiet about it for a decade; it was only when this apparent watershed moment with all the other women coming forward about sexual harassment and assault that she told her story. Had she come forward back in 2008, there is a strong possibility that Al Franken would never have become a Senator in the first place.
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I don't think it's all the other women coming forward about Weinstein et al; I think it's specifically related to the Moore allegations. Entirely political. A distraction.

And before you ask, yes, I think the timing of the Moore allegations is political as well.
 
Trebuchet said:
I don't think it's all the other women coming forward about Weinstein et al; I think it's specifically related to the Moore allegations. Entirely political. A distraction.

And before you ask, yes, I think the timing of the Moore allegations is political as well.
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I agree there is a high probability that the timing of the Moore allegation is, broadly speaking, "political", for Moore is currently campaigning for election. It's times like that when interested parties take close looks at the candidates' past.

Franken, on the other hand, is not up for re-election for a while. You allege now that the Franken allegation is timed with respect to the Moore story. Hmm! Problematic!

Can you please suggest to Mrs. Tweeden, or any other woman currently considering to make public an accusation of this nature, a specific time frame when this would be acceptable to you? Can you prescripe actionable rules for women to adhere to that describe at what times they better STFU?
 
newyorkguy said:
Isn't the media actually reporting that Franken has been accused of kissing and groping Tweeden? That certainly seems to be the case. The photo of Franken with his hands posed over Tweeden's chest has been carried by many news outlets. They seem to be doing their job.
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No, they've dropped the 'accused' and related caveats in most of the stories I've seen. But regardless, the news media could still be pointing out the image is not groping it is pretend groping. You can complain all you want about it being a stupid or crass or a sexist joke. My personal opinion is on the scale of sexual harassment, this is pretty minor. Those are opinions.

Saying Franken groped her when she was asleep, even adding alleged or Tweeden accuses, when the picture doesn't show groping, it shows making a joke of groping, is the news media allowing a falsehood to perpetuate. And the problem with that is it lessens what actual groping is.
 
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angrysoba said:
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but Leeann Tweeden has accepted Franken's apologies and doesn't want him to resign.

It could be that both sides yelling that he's as bad as Roy Moore, or that she is a lying right-wing attack dog, are wrong, and that they are going to settle the problem amicably.

If that's the case it would certainly make a refreshing change - that he has made a complete apology and not some half-hearted "accept my apologies if you got your knickers in a twist", and she has managed to speak out while keeping a sense of perspective.

As far as I can see, all's well that ends well.
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He nipped her complaint in the bud. Kind of took the wind out of her 'I'm a victim' sail.
 
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