Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny

xjx388 said:
A video of him talking about women letting him touch them because he is a star is not a video of him committing sexual assault or harassment. He did not then, grab the actress by the pussy after he got off the bus. Mind you, I think what he said and how he treats women is pretty disgusting, but it isn't a description of sexual harassment or assault. What he said to Brande Roderick ("Must be a pretty picture, you dropping to your knees."), while technically true :p, is a pretty blatant display of sexual harassment.
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He is certainly compelling her physical contact and affection, that is sexual harassment right there. He did not go to the extent he said he does, but he he did get the woman to do things she was not going to do.
 
Will you all please try a great deal harder to discuss the allegations made about Senator Franken, and not each other - which includes each other's political leanings. Any more breaches of rule 0 and/or rule 12 will garner cards or worse, so stop it.

Further, please discuss the allegations against Roy Moore in the appropriate thread rather than this one.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha
 
I'm curious..

Person X gives permission to kiss. Person Y attempts a kiss with tongue. What do we call that?
 
d4m10n said:
I don't disagree, but isn't there a good case to be made that Franken should step aside and give someone else a shot in 2020, for the sake of his own party and values?
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Yes. A good case. I'm not sure it is a slam dunk though. I don't know how popular he is with his constituents.
 
The Big Dog said:
Your accusations against me are grossly laughable at this point. Your general contractor argument is a farce. Lets take out the "assumptions" and see just how vile we are being, shall we?

here let me try a better analogy.

A model like to wear short skirts, worked at hooters, appeared in Playboy and has lots of NSFW photos on the internet.

A very famous comedian, later politician forced his tongue down her throat and was photographed groping her.

Argument: Because the model who likes to wear short skirts, worked at hooters, appeared in Playboy and has lots of NSFW photos on the internet never complained about similar conduct before, the charges are politically motivated.

Everyone reading the argument instantly recognizes the argument as blatant slut shaming, people on the iSkep are beyond outraged that people would dare question this, referring other member's arguments as "vile" and as "lying."

What did I change in the analogy? The comedian was conservative Jeff Foxworthy.

By the way, if one is reduced to declaring arguments adverse to you as "lies and vile," perhaps one might want to reevaluate.

Disagreeing with Oystein's arguments is lying and vile, folks! :thumbsup::] Interesting, never did like Foxworthy. It is good to know why!!! Thanks kindly!!:)
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I do wish that women who get french-kissed involuntarily would stop talking about how the guy forced his tongue down their throat. Unless we're talking about Gene Simmons, nobody has a tongue that long, so in reality he stuck his tongue in her mouth.
 
Craig4 said:
We're not one-trick ponies. We can monitor the pedo for senator campaign in Alabama and the tax bill that will ass rape the bottom 95% of American households.
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Lots of people can. But the main stream news media is in the business of selling sex and scandal. They are not interested in the important stories of the day. That was who I was talking about with my proverbial 'they', the public and the MSN, not the people who are awake and paying attention.
 
Oystein said:
... SG introduced an assumption that I consider unproven and probably false....
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So you don't think someone who makes their living as a sexy model, among other things, and was a Hooters waitress for years hasn't run into men on a regular basis who were sexually rude and crude on a regular basis?

I'm having a hard time understanding this denial.
 
Considering Agatha's warning, I just want my argument to not be distorted and lied about.

quadraginta said:
This analogy fails abysmally, because SG never implied anything about anyone deserving such treatment, only that their past history indicated it likely to have happened elsewhere.

Maybe that wasn't the word you meant to use, otherwise it would seem that you are misrepresenting things.
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It's a waste of time explaining that "deserving" didn't have a single thing to do with the discussion when the confirmation bias is blocking the brains of certain people in this discussion.

It boggles the mind. I say, surely other men were worse, and ask, why is Tweeden so obsessed with Franken?

And they hear, SG's argument is 'she deserved it' and 'SG said she should have expected it'. :boggled::boggled::boggled:

Boggles the mind.
 
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Cain said:
Except she's not wearing tight clothes there. She's covered head to toe in bulging winter wear. A modest Republican girl uncomfortable with sexual objectification.
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That didn't stop her from giving him a good slap on the ass, smiling while she did it.

If she had slapped him in the face it might be different, but it's hard to be too critical when she was grinding her butt against him when he grabbed it.
 
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Back on topic, I've been watching for additional reports. An alt-right woman with a known history of lying claims Franken called her and harassed her. The story was up on HuffPo then taken down but info on it is around on sites that captured the story.

In the meantime a number of women who worked with Franken for years on SNL have come out saying he never acted like Tweeden describes.

HuffPo removed story: The Framing of Al Franken by Two Trump Supporters

I can't find the story but here is a summary: Huffington Post mysteriously pulls piece claiming Franken accusers are ‘framing’ him

Probably pulled it because of Franken's apology letter.

But on to the second accuser:
On Thursday, Media Equalizer Co-Founder Melanie Morgan publicly revealed that she had a traumatic experience with Franken nearly 20 years ago.
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A traumatic experience? Melanie Morgan: After TV appearance, Al Franken harassed me too
Morgan’s disturbing encounter was sparked by daring to disagree with Franken during an August, 2000 edition of ABC’s Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher....

In response to the disturbing allegations made against Franken, Media Equalizer and Media Equality Project Co-Founder Melanie Morgan has come forward to recall her own frightening encounter, sparked by a seemingly-mundane and even obscure topic of political disagreement. ...
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Harassed her too? Disturbing? Frightening encounter?

So here is her story:
“He approached me backstage, angrily called me out on those numbers and insisted he would prove he was right. He wouldn’t leave me alone, he kept following me. As a woman, his presence and proximity to me felt very threatening and intimindating.
“I didn’t realize his creepy behavior after the show meant it would continue in the days to come.
“He approached Carol, the show’s producer and demanded my home phone number, which was a clear violation of network protocol. I had thought that was the end of the story and was shocked when he started calling my home, badgering me repeatedly.
“I became fearful and called Carol to complain and asked her to tell him to back off. But he made another call after that. I thought that he might end up stalking me at my home in Northern California, it was that bad.
“By the third phone call I was outraged and terrified, as he is really disturbed,” Morgan recounted.
Morgan said Franken finally left her alone, but only after she pushed back and threatened “to call the police and make a report that he was harassing me.”
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Who knows what to make of that. It certainly wasn't sexual harassment if it occurred. But looking her up on Wiki:
In 2007, Morgan claimed during a broadcast on KSFO that Hungarian financier George Soros worked with the Nazis "in order to further his own career;" Soros was age 13 when the Nazis entered Hungary. During the broadcast, the station manager came on-air to deny the accuracy of the statements and to say KFSO "regrets that they were broadcast." This incident and others led to Morgan twice being named "Worst Radio Host in America" by MSNBC talk show host Keith Olbermann.[21]
Morgan has also claimed that President Barack Obama attended a madrassa, an allegation that has been discredited.[22]
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Regardless, it wasn't sexual so moving on: Former Franken female staffers speak out: ‘He treated us with the utmost respect’
The statement is co-signed by eight former Franken staffers who have worked for him since he was elected to the Senate in 2008. It reads, “Many of us spent years working for Senator Franken in Minnesota and Washington. In our time working for the Senator, he treated us with the utmost respect. He valued our work and our opinions and was a champion for women both in the legislation he supported and in promoting women to leadership roles in our offices.”
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Hollywood Split Over Al Franken; Former ‘SNL’ Cast Members Take Sides They are split because of Tweeden's report, not because they themselves witnessed any corroborating evidence. OTOH, those that have worked with Franken said they never saw any such behavior.
Now, at least two of Franken’s former SNL cohorts are wading in, both supporting their old colleague. Jane Curtin tells The New York Times today that she’s “upset about this atmosphere and good people being dragged into it.”

Curtin, one of the original Not Ready For Prime-Time Players, said the longtime SNL writer and featured player was a powerful ally of the show’s female writers and performers.

“If he did that,” Curtin said of Leeann Tweeden’s allegations, “that’s really stupid, but I have never seen him in a situation where he has been sexually aggressive with anybody.”

Also today, Curtin’s SNL castmate Laraine Newman retweeted two posts supporting Franken. Newman first retweeted a Washington Post column by Feminasty podcaster Kate Harding that begins, “I’m a feminist. I study rape culture. And I don’t want Al Franken to resign.” Laurie Zaks, the president of Mandeville TV and former executive producer of Castle, retweeted the same column.

Newman then retweeted a WaPo article about former female staffers of Franken who issued a statement in support of the senator that noted “He treated us with the utmost respect.”...

Another former SNL cast member, Rob Schneider (who recently said he too had been sexually harassed by a director), is in Franken’s corner. “I’ve known @alfranken for over 27 years, I disagree with him on a lot of stuff, but he is not and has never been a sexual harasser.”
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Oh yeah, and it's wrong that the news media is reporting Franken kissed and groped Tweeden when he did not grope her, only pretended to. Time for the media to clean up that distortion.
 
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