Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Gamolon]

We, the human race cause a lot of our suffering.

No, according to what you believe, the angels of karma already know the outcomes of incarnations and what choices will be made during its life prior to a soul choosing that incarnation.

So basically, some souls are doomed to commit atrocities that will damn them in the future.

How is that free will?

 

[Gamolon]

Here are some of the verses in the Quran about what God will do to people and it makes him out to be an insane sadistic monster. No human father or mother would do these things to their children, so why would God?

Yet your version of God is one that creates an incarnation that is going to cause millions of people to suffer horribly if a soul chooses it and even has angels guide certain souls to it. That, in your eyes, is NOT an insane, sadistic monster?

 

[Zivan]

It seems to me people in civilised countries are not as barbaric as they were even a few hundred years ago.

In the last century (not "a few hundred years ago") people in "civilised" countries started two (TWO) World Wars that were definitely barbaric and resulted in suffering, misery and slaughter of many millions of people.

In this century, people in "civilised" countries go to war in other peoples countries.

What is your definition of "civilised"? Do you mean "developed"?

Humans are still acting barbaric, as this (recent) past century shows.

 

[Thor 2]

We, the human race cause a lot of our suffering. If everyone was a pacifist there could be no wars. We are permitted to learn by trial and error.

Many thousands of years from now there probably will not be any more wars as the human race might have learned its painful lessons.

But, but, but, you say we need the suffering to progress. If we no longer have wars in the future, then planet Earth will have outlived it's usefulness as a place for soul development.

 

[Scorpion]

In the last century (not "a few hundred years ago") people in "civilised" countries started two (TWO) World Wars that were definitely barbaric and resulted in suffering, misery and slaughter of many millions of people.

In this century, people in "civilised" countries go to war in other peoples countries.

What is your definition of "civilised"? Do you mean "developed"?

Humans are still acting barbaric, as this (recent) past century shows.

A few hundred years ago they burnt people to death in public, and there were torture chambers with the rack, and hot irons. We have abolished slavery, Britain has abolished the death penalty. Women have equal rights, etc.

 

[Darat]

It seems to me people in civilised countries are not as barbaric as they were even a few hundred years ago.

How can that be a good thing in your belief system? You need people to suffer in their earthly incarnations so that they can progress.

You really don't have a good grasp on the actual teachings you keep telling us you have learnt.

You've stripped us of free will and made it a good and necessary thing that we suffer. Horrendous.

 

[Darat]

A few hundred years ago they burnt people to death in public, and there were torture chambers with the rack, and hot irons. We have abolished slavery, Britain has abolished the death penalty. Women have equal rights, etc.

People are still being burnt to death in public, people are still being tortured, the death penalty still exists, women in many places do not have equal rights.

Your view of the world is as narrow and blinkered as your belief system is.

 

[Scorpion]

Yet your version of God is one that creates an incarnation that is going to cause millions of people to suffer horribly if a soul chooses it and even has angels guide certain souls to it. That, in your eyes, is NOT an insane, sadistic monster?

Have you read the Bhagavad Gita ? In it there is a great civil war and fathers fight against sons and brother against brother. Arjuna is in despair but Krishna says " You speak sincerely ,but your sorrow has no cause. The wise grieve neither for the living or the dead. There has never been a time when you and I and the kings gathered here have not existed, nor will there ever be a time when we will cease to exist."
He goes on to say quiet a lot more to explain that nobody really dies, only the impermanent body. Its worth a read.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

People are still being burnt to death in public, people are still being tortured, the death penalty still exists, women in many places do not have equal rights.

Your view of the world is as narrow and blinkered as your belief system is.

This is something I keep coming back to - how parochial these spirits appear to be. Despite apparently having lived many times in many places - including different planets - their perspective seems limited to that of a privileged Westerner.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Have you read the Bhagavad Gita ? In it there is a great civil war and fathers fight against sons and brother against brother. Arjuna is in despair but Krishna says " You speak sincerely ,but your sorrow has no cause. The wise grieve neither for the living or the dead. There has never been a time when you and I and the kings gathered here have not existed, nor will there ever be a time when we will cease to exist."
He goes on to say quiet a lot more to explain that nobody really dies, only the impermanent body. Its worth a read.

I have read it. A better question than whether anybody has read it is why anybody should believe that it's true.

 

[Darat]

Have you read the Bhagavad Gita ? In it there is a great civil war and fathers fight against sons and brother against brother. Arjuna is in despair but Krishna says " You speak sincerely ,but your sorrow has no cause. The wise grieve neither for the living or the dead. There has never been a time when you and I and the kings gathered here have not existed, nor will there ever be a time when we will cease to exist."
He goes on to say quiet a lot more to explain that nobody really dies, only the impermanent body. Its worth a read.

Another belief system that holds that we need to suffer so it doesn't matter what happens to us in our earthly incarnation.

How people can subscribe to such bleak, terrifying beliefs is beyond me.

 

[Scorpion]

I have read it. A better question than whether anybody has read it is why anybody should believe that it's true.

The story itself is not true. The Bhagavad Gita is a small part of the book the Mahabharata which is a fiction story. But the spiritual philosophy behind it is uplifting and positive.

 

[Scorpion]

People are still being burnt to death in public, people are still being tortured, the death penalty still exists, women in many places do not have equal rights.

Your view of the world is as narrow and blinkered as your belief system is.

To much with the negative waves man. You should try looking on the bright side.

 

[Darat]

The story itself is not true. The Bhagavad Gita is a small part of the book the Mahabharata which is a fiction story. But the spiritual philosophy behind it is uplifting and positive.

We really do have a different idea of what is "uplifting and positive".

For you a pregnant woman being repeatedly raped by multiple soldiers and then being disowned by her family and being left destitute is "uplifting and positive". According to you she should be counting her blessings as she must be "evolving" in the spiritual world.

For me it is utterly horrifying and I find myself feeling ashamed that I don't do anything about it beyond supporting a charity that is working with women like her.

 

[Darat]

To much with the negative waves man. You should try looking on the bright side.

It is not me that holds a bleak outlook on life, it is not me that sees that suffering is a necessity.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Another belief system that holds that we need to suffer so it doesn't matter what happens to us in our earthly incarnation.

How people can subscribe to such bleak, terrifying beliefs is beyond me.

Because it's a good excuse to grab what you can and act like a complete **** to everybody else?

 

[Pixel42]

Another belief system that holds that we need to suffer so it doesn't matter what happens to us in our earthly incarnation.

How people can subscribe to such bleak, terrifying beliefs is beyond me.

I suppose if you're already suffering through no fault of your own then seeing that suffering as a means to an end can actually make it seem a little less horrifying.

 

[Darat]

I suppose if you're already suffering through no fault of your own then seeing that suffering as a means to an end can actually make it seem a little less horrifying.

And you see others suffering and you think it's their fault (from a past life/sin) so there is no need to help them.




It's a pernicious idea that is at the centre of most of the world's religions.

 

[Scorpion]

It is not me that holds a bleak outlook on life, it is not me that sees that suffering is a necessity.

No, I assume you see suffering as pointless. Humans and animals all suffering for nothing. But the struggles of nature force growth and evolution.
Predator and prey both force evolution in each other. Individual animals are killed and eaten, but in the natural world the species evolve through their struggle.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

The story itself is not true. The Bhagavad Gita is a small part of the book the Mahabharata which is a fiction story. But the spiritual philosophy behind it is uplifting and positive.

Uplifting and positive but untrue. So why should anybody read it in reference to this thread?