Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Gamolon,
I am not an oracle and can only answer in general terms. I do not know about Hitler's reasons for incarnating, but I assume it was for the same reason as the rest of us.
His soul wanted to progress. Since I would say he definitely took a very big backward step by his actions, it seems probable that he did not know what he was going to do.
But the angels of karma probably did know, and they allowed it as part of the worlds karma.
 
Scorpion said:
You people are just nit picking words. I sold the books and I have no doubt about that, but I said I threw them out instead and people want to make an issue out of it. But I meant the same thing. I got rid of them.
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The reason being is that you give us your anecdotes and we are meant to accept that they are an accurate recollection of an event. When it is shown that even over a comparatively short period your recollection changes it does indicate that you are potentially an unreliable narrator.

Can you not see how that is a pretty fundamental issue?
 
Darat said:
The reason being is that you give us your anecdotes and we are meant to accept that they are an accurate recollection of an event. When it is shown that even over a comparatively short period your recollection changes it does indicate that you are potentially an unreliable narrator.

Can you not see how that is a pretty fundamental issue?
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No it ain't. I said I threw them out without thinking that anyone was going to accuse me of faulty memory, But I do remember selling them.
 
Gamolon said:
You're not answering my questions Scorpion.

You stated that angels of karma guide spirits/souls to a particular incarnation based on spiritual needs of that particular spirit/soul. What spiritual needs, in your opinion, would Hitler's life have satisfied? You are saying that the angels of karma KNOW ahead of time about the incarnations that a soul or spirit is being guided to.

You are also alluding to the fact that spirits/souls CHOOSE when to incarnate into a particular life. What, in your opinion, is the spirit/soul basing its choice on as to whether or not to incarnate into a particular life? Also, if each spirit/soul has a choice, why would a they CHOOSE to have incarnated into Hilter's forthcoming life when there were so many other, better lives that would have helped it take a quicker path toward total enlightenment?

If spirits/souls know that their deeds on earth will be accounted for, why would ANY spirit/soul choose to incarnate into a life such as Hitler's?

If spirits/souls are striving to be better at every incarnation, then what the hell kind of spirit/soul was the one that was guided to and then chose to incarnate as Hitler in it's previous life?!
Do spirits/souls ever take steps backwards on their journey to full enlightenment due to their mistakes in the life they chose to incarnate into? For example, did Hitler's spirit/soul take a step backwards in its journey to full enlightenment because of the his deeds?
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I've tackled this flaw in his beliefs from a different direction. What is consistent with his statements is that Hitler chose to reincarnate and cause untold suffering for millions to help those suffering souls along their path.

Given Scorpion's beliefs Hitler should be looked at as a huge benefactor, he has helped millions of people to progress since apparently we have to suffer to learn our lessons and evolve.

His belief system is a horrendous, barbaric belief that celebrates millions and millions of people suffering. We have to remember that suffering in his belief system is not only good but is necessary. If Hitler hadn't caused all that suffering other souls would have had to create equal suffering for people so they could progress.

And since we know the "karma angels" know what people are going to do before the soul reincarnates there is no free will in Scorpion's world, only inevitable and terrible suffering.

It is a very, very bleak outlook on life. One that I am truly glad is nothing but a fantasy.
 
Darat said:
And since we know the "karma angels" know what people are going to do before the soul reincarnates there is no free will in Scorpion's world, only inevitable and terrible suffering.

It is a very, very bleak outlook on life. One that I am truly glad is nothing but a fantasy.
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As we can agree there is great suffering in the world. But for you I assume it is completely meaningless and accidental. By my view, which is supported by the teachings of various spirit guides all suffering is mitigated because it forces growth in the soul. The soul cannot change dramatically in the spirit world because there is no pressure. But the struggles on the physical world lead ultimately to advancement.
I do not see how the angels being able to see what will happen takes away our free will. as Hitler still had a choice on what actions he would make.
 
There you go, the Angels of Karma didn't make Hitler be a genocidal manic, they just guided him to an incarnation where he could fulfil his full potential as a genocidal manic.
 
Darat said:
Yes it is. Throwing something out and selling it are rather different actions.
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a little aside... if you sold the books because you realized they were lying about the spirit world, how ethical is it to sell them to someone else, who might believe their 'teachings'?
 
Porpoise of Life said:
a little aside... if you sold the books because you realized they were lying about the spirit world, how ethical is it to sell them to someone else, who might believe their 'teachings'?
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Such a moral issue never occurred to me, I just sold them.
 
Scorpion said:
His soul wanted to progress. Since I would say he definitely took a very big backward step by his actions, it seems probable that he did not know what he was going to do.
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So a soul has no clue about the incarnation/life it is being shown by the angels of karma, but those angels do? Those angels can see how that incarnation's life will play out which is why they chose to guide the soul to it?
 
Scorpion said:
I do not see how the angels being able to see what will happen takes away our free will. as Hitler still had a choice on what actions he would make.
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And the angels knew those choices before the soul chose to incarnate into him right?

That's why they guided that particular soul to that incarnation because they KNEW that particular life/incarnation would provide the soul with what it needed spiritually to progress forward.
 
Scorpion said:
You people are just nit picking words. I sold the books and I have no doubt about that, but I said I threw them out instead and people want to make an issue out of it. But I meant the same thing. I got rid of them.
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No. You simply tossed those few mad books that you disagreed with and kept those you agreed with.

How about you answer the destructive trail of questions you continue to dodge? I am sure you sincerely believe whatever it is you believe, but you always fail to say what that exactly is and why it might be that you would believe in such rubbish.

I am wondering why that might be?
 
abaddon said:
No. You simply tossed those few mad books that you disagreed with and kept those you agreed with.

How about you answer the destructive trail of questions you continue to dodge? I am sure you sincerely believe whatever it is you believe, but you always fail to say what that exactly is and why it might be that you would believe in such rubbish.

I am wondering why that might be?
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To tell you the truth, I was hoping this thread would fade away for a couple more years, then I could come back and say the same things. I cannot answer all the questions because I am not an oracle. All I have is my memories what was said during many trance lectures I attended in the 1970's

I threw out/sold a number of White Eagle books because I found a fatal flaw in one. I still have many spiritualist books I refer to, but if I find flaws in them I will get rid of them too.

I have said what I think is probably true, and that is we are all divine immortal children of God. We reincarnate many times for experience sake, and eventually we complete our cycle of lives, and ascend to higher realms.
But when I say eventually I am talking about countless ages, as the human race is still creating bad karma, and we are only in our spiritual childhood.
 
Scorpion said:
Lets try the moral argument. The Quran quotes God as saying. " I created men and Jinn only that they might worship me." What kind of pathetic God would create beings just to worship him? and what kind of human beings worship a God that will burn unbelievers in eternal hell?

Here are some of the verses in the Quran about what God will do to people and it makes him out to be an insane sadistic monster. No human father or mother would do these things to their children, so why would God?
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You question the morality of God portrayed above yet you're ok with your version of God creating angels who lead a soul to an incarnation that was knowingly going to cause millions of his children on earth to suffer like they did via Hitler? No human mother or father would do THIS to their children, so why would your particular God?
 
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Gamolon said:
You question the morality of God portrayed above yet you're ok with your version of God creating angels who lead a soul to an incarnation that was knowingly going to cause millions of his children on earth to suffer like they did via Hitler? No human mother or father would do THIS to their children, so why would your particular God?
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We, the human race cause a lot of our suffering. If everyone was a pacifist there could be no wars. We are permitted to learn by trial and error.

Many thousands of years from now there probably will not be any more wars as the human race might have learned its painful lessons.
 
Scorpion said:
We, the human race cause a lot of our suffering. If everyone was a pacifist there could be no wars. We are permitted to learn by trial and error.
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Sure, except everyone is not a pacifist. That is in fact the source of most war. "My religion is right and yours is not"

Scorpion said:
Many thousands of years from now there probably will not be any more wars as the human race might have learned its painful lessons.
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Or be engaging in interstellar war. Your speculation is worthless.
 
Scorpion said:
We, the human race cause a lot of our suffering. If everyone was a pacifist there could be no wars. We are permitted to learn by trial and error.

Many thousands of years from now there probably will not be any more wars as the human race might have learned its painful lessons.
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"Many thousands of years" ago there were wars. Just like today.

Obviously "many thousands of years" of being "permitted to learn by trial and error" has NOT changed the human race.

If your beliefs are correct, WHY has the human race NOT "learned its painful lessons"?
 
Zivan said:
"Many thousands of years" ago there were wars. Just like today.

Obviously "many thousands of years" of being "permitted to learn by trial and error" has NOT changed the human race.

If your beliefs are correct, WHY has the human race NOT "learned its painful lessons"?
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It seems to me people in civilised countries are not as barbaric as they were even a few hundred years ago.
 
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