Mass shooting in small town Texas

[Skeptic Ginger]

Quick!! To the Thoughts and Prayers mobile!

STAT!

CNN already had a discussion about how the hypothetical good guy with a gun must have left it in his pickup truck.

 

[logger]

Paul Ryan on Twitter
"Reports out of Texas are devastating. The people of Sutherland Springs need our prayers right now."

The murdered victims were in a church, praying. If prayers did anything, they'd still be alive, you worthless dick.

Nailed him on both counts. Prayers mean crap and he is a worthless dick!!!!!

Because atheists think God would be their own personal genie?

What will happen here is people coming to God through tragedy and difficult times, which he said we would have. Christians have never been spared from hard times, tragedy, or disaster, but out of those things many miracles have been experienced.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Well, it's a First Baptist church, so most likely a majority black membership. Should be interesting to see the suspect...

Nope, mostly WASP with a few "Mexicans" according to a town spokesman. The church also videotapes their services and puts them up on YouTube for people who couldn't make it to church.

 

[Sideroxylon]

He was a Muslim killing privileged white people, no big deal.

WTF?

 

[Vixen]

The irony is yesterday evening was a lead up to All Saints Day today when people honour the dead.

 

[Dr.Sid]

And how often does that happen?

Do you think there's a reason why most mass killers in the USA use guns instead of vehicles or swimming pools? What do you think that reason is?

The availability of guns for sure plays role in how the attacks are done. Not if the attack is done or not.
For the record, I'm not US citizen, and I have no stakes in the debate. IMHO US needs some form of gun control. Registration at least. It's weird cars more controlled than guns, and pro-gun crowd is overly concerned about it.
But clearly anti-gun crowd expects too much from it. Especially you can't expect quick solution. Even complete gun ban would take decades to take effect with amount of guns in circulation.

 

[Agatha]

CNN already had a discussion about how the hypothetical good guy with a gun must of left it in his pickup truck.

.. must have left it in his pickup truck. Sorry, pet peeve.

I think it goes like this:
Shooter is black - thug, but there are very fine people in the KKK
Shooter is Muslim (or brown) - terrorism! Deport them all.
Shooter is white - lone nut, mental illness, he needed treatment.

Whatever the colour, religion or motive of the shooter might turn out to be, this is the 307th mass shooting (=4 or more deaths) in the USA in 2017. That is almost one a day. When does America ask itself the hard questions about the gun culture and about a functioning mental health treatment system?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

.. must have left it in his pickup truck. Sorry, pet peeve.

Aack! I should know better.

 

[The Sparrow]

Because atheists think God would be their own personal genie?....

LOL, and if someone had heroically managed to stop this guy you would say God was working through him.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

..
I think it goes like this:
Shooter is black - thug, but there are very fine people in the KKK
Shooter is Muslim (or brown) - terrorism! Deport them all.
Shooter is white - lone nut, mental illness, he needed treatment [nothing can be done]....

ftfy They don't want to invest in mental health services.

 

[C_Felix]

Paul Ryan on Twitter
"Reports out of Texas are devastating. The people of Sutherland Springs need our prayers right now."

The murdered victims were in a church, praying. If prayers did anything, they'd still be alive, you worthless dick.

Nommed.

 

[Ryokan]

The availability of guns for sure plays role in how the attacks are done. Not if the attack is done or not.

I would say cars and trucks are more available than guns, even in the USA. And still mass killings with cars and trucks are rare. If cars were as easy to perpetrate mass killings with as guns, you would see more of it. Instead, the car killings we have seen in both Europe and the USA have been perpetrated by people who couldn't get access to guns.

And with Nice as a sad exception, you can't expect to easily kills as many people with a vehicle as you can with guns.

And the mass killing on topic here couldn't be done with a vehicle. Nor the myriad of school shootings we've seen in the past.

Killing with guns is just so much easier than practically any other choice of weapon there is. Guns are, no matter how you look at it, fundamentally designed to kill.

For the record, I'm not US citizen, and I have no stakes in the debate. IMHO US needs some form of gun control. Registration at least. It's weird cars more controlled than guns, and pro-gun crowd is overly concerned about it.
But clearly anti-gun crowd expects too much from it. Especially you can't expect quick solution. Even complete gun ban would take decades to take effect with amount of guns in circulation.

I'm not a US citizen either. I don't really have a dog in this race, except being sad at seeing this happen again and again. It's frustrating to see after each incident, Americans just shrug and say there's nothing that can be done - when the rest of the civilized world doesn't experience frequent incidents like this. Clearly, something can be done.

But for the above, we are in agreement. It's not going to be easy to do something. But in the US, even talking about doing something seems to be out of the question. That's the major problem.

 

[jimbob]

The availability of guns for sure plays role in how the attacks are done. Not if the attack is done or not.
For the record, I'm not US citizen, and I have no stakes in the debate. IMHO US needs some form of gun control. Registration at least. It's weird cars more controlled than guns, and pro-gun crowd is overly concerned about it.
But clearly anti-gun crowd expects too much from it. Especially you can't expect quick solution. Even complete gun ban would take decades to take effect with amount of guns in circulation.

The terrorist incidents might happen without guns, but other spree killings mightn't.

There is the copycat factor, and the fact that having semiautomatic weapons to hand mean that an impulsive act is far easier, as the planning might be nothing more than driving to the nearest shopping mall and shooting until shot.

 

[logger]

.. must have left it in his pickup truck. Sorry, pet peeve.

I think it goes like this:
Shooter is black - thug, but there are very fine people in the KKK
Shooter is Muslim (or brown) - terrorism! Deport them all.
Shooter is white - lone nut, mental illness, he needed treatment.

Whatever the colour, religion or motive of the shooter might turn out to be, this is the 307th mass shooting (=4 or more deaths) in the USA in 2017. That is almost one a day. When does America ask itself the hard questions about the gun culture and about a functioning mental health treatment system?

It says we should certainly invest more in mental health and that everyone should have the right to be armed. I never go anywhere without it.

 

[logger]

LOL, and if someone had heroically managed to stop this guy you would say God was working through him.

Lol

And you would have been upset about that too.

 

[logger]

Disarming at this point only makes situations like this worse.

 

[Dr.Sid]

The terrorist incidents might happen without guns, but other spree killings mightn't.

There is the copycat factor, and the fact that having semiautomatic weapons to hand mean that an impulsive act is far easier, as the planning might be nothing more than driving to the nearest shopping mall and shooting until shot.

Well if you ban guns, they might realize, they can actually do just the same without gun. Just driving to the nearest shopping mall and keep driving until shot.

Anyway .. there is certainly some mental disease factor. But the copycat factor is the major one I think. There is media image these people are identifying with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with few exceptions of Muslim terrorism, this is mostly free-time activity of white males. I don't know about case where the shooter was black. And it's not like they don't have guns. It's like it's not their thing.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Disarming at this point only makes situations like this worse.

Not if the ones that are targeted for disarming are the ones that are most likely to snap and go on shooting sprees. Notably the ones that have mental issues known about by family and friends such as serve depression or anger, but never have it reported to the authorities.

 

[abaddon]

Well, it's a First Baptist church, so most likely a majority black membership. Should be interesting to see the suspect...

Oddly, it appears to be mostly white folk. The habitually video their services and post them on their youtube channel.

 

[Rolfe]

The irony is yesterday evening was a lead up to All Saints Day today when people honour the dead.

Jeez, Vixen, get something right for once. All Saints' Day is 1st November. And the day before is, get this, "All Hallows' Eve", a.k.a. Hallowe'en.