Mass shooting in small town Texas

[Noztradamus]

Wow. You are right. If the perp did not have a gun then there would be...wait, what?

Unicorns farting rainbows?

 

[cullennz]

Some freaky white dude who got kicked out of the Air Force

Devin Kelley

They point out that apparently there are suspicions he could have been an atheist

Sick....Sick....Sick heathen


https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/

 

[logger]

Not if the ones that are targeted for disarming are the ones that are most likely to snap and go on shooting sprees. Notably the ones that have mental issues known about by family and friends such as serve depression or anger, but never have it reported to the authorities.

Certainly goes without saying, the trick would be getting that done.

 

[Trebuchet]

That's because it was utterly wrong.

Oops, that was a reply to a slightly earlier post.

 

[logger]

How exactly?

Because criminals will always have guns.

Wow. You are right. If the perp did not have a gun then there would be...wait, what?

Sure, when the government asks for the perps gun I’m sure he’ll hand them over.

Then we can all become fish in a barrel, good job! Thanks but no thanks

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Again, I believe he is offering sympathy, not solution. Can't you people understand this basic fact ?

Oh, we get it. It's just that, with as frequently as this **** happens in America, the sympathy thing is wearing a little thin. People like me start reading those worthless messages as, "I'm sorry that I have and will continue to refuse to do anything that might reduce the frequency of these events."

 

[lionking]

Then we can all become fish in a barrel, good job! Thanks but no thanks

You already are fish in a barrel. Pretty much describes this church.

The cost of the so-called freedom to own firearms is appalling to most of the world. Yes, I get you don't care.

 

[Hercules56]

Can there be any more doubt that the USA is a sick society?

 

[Hercules56]

Because criminals will always have guns

That's like saying criminals will always have bombs, therefore we should make it legal to build and possess bombs.

 

[Dr.Sid]

Oh, we get it. It's just that, with as frequently as this **** happens in America, the sympathy thing is wearing a little thin. People like me start reading those worthless messages as, "I'm sorry that I have and will continue to refuse to do anything that might reduce the frequency of these events."

There is time for the sympathy, and there is time for solution. Lack of the second doesn't mean you should bitch about the first. Especially right after the act. That makes you sound like you actually disagree with the sympathy.
Yes, US should do something. But US shouldn't stop expressing sympathy, even if it means 'sending prayers'.

 

[PhantomWolf]

They point out that apparently there are suspicions he could have been an atheist

Actually, no, they contrast that he used to teach Bible studies with that he also appeared to link to a number of Atheist pages so as to point put that it's unclear what, if any, religious beliefs he had.

 

[Dr.Sid]

Because criminals will always have guns.

I disagree. Criminals will want to have guns. It might be hard for them to get them. It might make them suspicious while trying to get them. They might get caught getting them or having them illegally.
Some of the criminals will in the end get guns. More of them will find another way. But still it would have some effect.

 

[logger]

You already are fish in a barrel. Pretty much describes this church.

Actually, I am not but this church certainly was.

The cost of the so-called freedom to own firearms is appalling to most of the world. Yes, I get you don't care.

Actually, I do care that the rest of the world enjoy being in a barrel having no control of what happens to them.

 

[logger]

That's like saying criminals will always have bombs, therefore we should make it legal to build and possess bombs.

Only if you live in fantasy land. I’d rather live in reality.

 

[quadraginta]

LOL, and if someone had heroically managed to stop this guy you would say God was working through him.

Looks like he might have.

Authorities revealed that a heroic and unidentified citizen in the church “grabbed his rifle and confronted the suspect,” who was armed with a “Ruger AR assault type rifle.” The local citizen pursued the suspect, who ran off the road and crashed and was found deceased in his vehicle. “We don’t know if it was a self inflicted gunshot wound or if he was shot by our local resident who engaged him with gunfire,” authorities said.

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Of course, it might have been better if God had sent him just a bit sooner.

 

[logger]

I disagree. Criminals will want to have guns. It might be hard for them to get them. It might make them suspicious while trying to get them. They might get caught getting them or having them illegally.
Some of the criminals will in the end get guns. More of them will find another way. But still it would have some effect.

You’re not understanding the fact that we have hundreds of millions of guns in this country, they will never ALL be confiscated and I would fight that with every fiber of my being. at this time in our countries history it’s more important to focus on mental health, that would be a great start in solving some of these tragedies. The gun grabbers will never get what they want, too many on both sides of the isle want the protection of a firearm.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

There is time for the sympathy, and there is time for solution. Lack of the second doesn't mean you should bitch about the first. Especially right after the act. That makes you sound like you actually disagree with the sympathy.
Yes, US should do something. But US shouldn't stop expressing sympathy, even if it means 'sending prayers'.

I disagree. There is a pattern here. The sympathy, repeatedly expressed by the people with the power to change things, rings ever more hollow with each incident. Their continued refusal to do anything cheapens the message.

Let the people who actually care offer sympathies. Folks like Paul Ryan do not, as evidenced by their complete inaction.

When the people with the power to change things offer only words, but no action, they clearly don't care to do a damn thing. They should just shut the **** up and get to work.

 

[Meadmaker]

Vixen, however, was claiming that your actual All Saints' Day was today (5th November).

The reason I'm surprised by this is that the distinction between Hallowe'en (31st October) and All Saints' Day (1st November) is a crucial point in the Meredith Kercher murder which she claims to be an expert on.

Ahh...was not aware of any Knox connection or links to previous threads.

 

[Andy_Ross]

There is time for the sympathy, and there is time for solution

It seems that it is never time for a solution.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Certainly goes without saying, the trick would be getting that done.

Doing it seems to be remarkably easy in other countries. It's convincing people in the US that it can be done that is hard.

Part of that is countering the entire "Guns are good" and "Guns protect" message that the NRA and others keep giving. In fact we know that you are more likely to be killed by a gun if you own one than if you don't.

Now yes I know that gun owners groups try and counter this with "But guns save lives, gun owners use their guns to save their lives over two and half million times a year!" but think about this for a moment. If gun owners really did have to use their guns 2.5 million times a year to protect their lives, why are they more likely to be killed than non-gun owners who don't? Does it mean that through some crazy fluke in the universe that gun owners get attacked more then 2.5 million times more than non-gun owners, do gun owners put themselves into more dangerous situations because they have a gun and so undertake more risky behavior resulting in more attacks on them, or might these self reported numbers be inflated by gun owners who are using their guns in situations were their lives aren't actually threatened?

We also know that domestic violence victims are five times more likely to be killed if their abuser has access to a gun, even when it is the victim's gun! That means that a woman who is the victim of domestic abuse actually increases her odds of being killed by her abusive partner if she buys a gun bringing one into the household! We also know Domestic Violence calls where the abuser is armed with a gun is responsible for the largest number of murders of police officers.

And yet the solution is easy. Increasing the vetting of gun owners.

Here to gain a licence to own a gun you have to have 2 non family referees who have known you for at least two years and a family referee who will all confirm that you are able to own a firearm. You also have to show that you understand and can perform basic gun safety, and that you have proper lockable storage for your guns and ammo.

Just by following that much of our gun controls, the US would start to see a decline in gun deaths, but we know it won't happen because any restrictions are considered to much of a restriction by the gun lobby.