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Kevin Spacey accused of sexual assault on minor......and he's gay

Minoosh said:
More than one male friend has told me they've gone along with sex just because it was easier than saying no. Is that rape?
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At least under Swedish law, assuming that the individual was over the age of consent and you are not in a position of authority over them or there being any other exceptional circumstances, then it's perfectly legal to nag or otherwise pressure someone into having sex.

If your boyfriend says he'll break up with you if you won't have sex with him and you give in, even-though you really didn't want to have sex, it still wouldn't legally be rape. Likewise if they guilt-trip you into sex or use any kind of legal pressure and coercion. Of course the line between legal and illegal pressure is in a gray zone but simply consenting to sex doesn't mean you need to like it or want it.

More often than not there's plenty of ways to legally exploit and abuse people, sexually or otherwise.
 
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Arcade22 said:
At least under Swedish law, assuming that the individual was over the age of consent and you are not in a position of authority over them or there being any other exceptional circumstances, then it's perfectly legal to nag or otherwise pressure someone into having sex.

If your boyfriend says he'll break up with you if you won't have sex with him and you give in, even-though you really didn't want to have sex, it still wouldn't legally be rape. Likewise if they guilt-trip you into sex or use any kind of legal pressure and coercion. Of course the line between legal and illegal pressure is in a gray zone but simply consenting to sex doesn't mean you need to like it or want it.

More often than not there's plenty of ways to legally exploit and abuse people, sexually or otherwise.
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It's interesting to see it broken down that way. In the U.S. this is mostly defined by state statutes. The guy who woke up with Spacey (committing a sexual act) was definitely raped IMO, unless they'd already had consensual sex. (He also has every right to end the sex act after he wakes up).

Except that if the guy was a minor, it couldn't be consensual. What is the age of consent in Sweden?

In the case of potentially consenting adults, or even non-adult peers, it's hard for me to draw a distinct line. Just, I know both men and women who have consented to sex because it was less trouble than saying no. It was a different time period, though. Much of what I'm talking about is before the AIDS epidemic, which definitely would make you think twice before engaging in a casual encounter.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It's goddamn 2017, Spacey's lived in the US and the UK, and he's rich and famous. If he wants to grope hot younger men he should have had zero difficulty finding willing ones. That he chose instead to pursue unwilling ones means he's not getting off from the sex itself, he's getting off from the predation.
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Or that he has never learned how to behave himself and because of his position/power/wealth has never been forced to learn the rules of common decency. Or could be a combination of both.

Given what has come out I'd say as a person he's just a piece of crap, there may be reasons why he has ended up as he has but one shouldn't really have to be forced to learn to act as a decent human being after leaving adolescence.
 
angrysoba said:
They were going to what anyway? They had a final season that was certainly going to be released and which they ceased production on after the allegations came to light.
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I didn't realise they were actually dumping the final series

Seems a bit stupid to me

The dude is scum. Yes

They could have just killed him off.

Seems a bit of a convenient excuse but I'm probably wrong

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TragicMonkey said:
It's goddamn 2017, Spacey's lived in the US and the UK, and he's rich and famous. If he wants to grope hot younger men he should have had zero difficulty finding willing ones. That he chose instead to pursue unwilling ones means he's not getting off from the sex itself, he's getting off from the predation.
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Exactly. Almost anyone can find a sexual encounter. This behavior is sociopathic; they enjoy intimidating others with power.
 
cullennz said:
I didn't realise they were actually dumping the final series

Seems a bit stupid to me

The dude is scum. Yes

They could have just killed him off.

Seems a bit of a convenient excuse but I'm probably wrong
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I expect Spacey's behaviour is extremely inconvenient. I doubt they were looking for an "excuse" to lose a prestigious TV show with high ratings given how much time, effort and money went into making it. It was critically and popularly acclaimed, and now it's in the garbage.
 
Hmmm... He was going to be in a Gore Vidal biopic. I can see Spacey doing a good job in that role. That's cancelled now though.
 
cullennz said:
I didn't realize they were actually dumping the final series

Seems a bit stupid to me

The dude is scum. Yes

They could have just killed him off.

Seems a bit of a convenient excuse but I'm probably wrong

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As far as I can see, they simply said that season 6 will be the last one.
So I'm assuming they are going to finish shooting the season and the call it a day.

My guess is that it's not a convenient, but rather the opposite - they were aware of what's going on and decided to try and preemptively put things on hold hoping that it would put the story to rest - knowing that if things develop (as they have) that a lot more stuff is going to come out that would be worse.

Now it seems that about 8 people on production have already accused him - just imagine what's it like working on that set.

angrysoba said:
I expect Spacey's behaviour is extremely inconvenient. I doubt they were looking for an "excuse" to lose a prestigious TV show with high ratings given how much time, effort and money went into making it. It was critically and popularly acclaimed, and now it's in the garbage.
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In a sense true, and they would surely not want to do a season 6 if they didn't expect a decent ROI, but let's not push it either. The show has gone down hill fast and that last season was heavily criticized as it is.
 
cullennz said:
I didn't realise they were actually dumping the final series

Seems a bit stupid to me

The dude is scum. Yes

They could have just killed him off.

Seems a bit of a convenient excuse but I'm probably wrong

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I personally have a large helping of "separate the art from the artist" but I can see why they would. I am not sure I'd watch it ( honestly I probably would but don't know if I could finish as his character is a little bit of a mirror if himself. ) , and even if I did most people would lose their ****.
 
angrysoba said:
Hmmm... He was going to be in a Gore Vidal biopic. I can see Spacey doing a good job in that role. That's cancelled now though.
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It was in post production. It was binned not cancelled. Also super problematic storyline with Spacey as Vidal.

A young man spends a summer in Italy where he meets his idol, Gore Vidal, who teaches him about life, love, and politics.
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Babbylonian said:
That really sucks for the other people involved in the productions. Unfortunately, Netflix was in a no-win situation
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The other people who were going along to get along, themselves indulging, or otherwise complicit in preserving this culture of abuse?

Yeah, it really sucks for them.

And for Netflix? Seems like they won out just fine. They rode the train till the wheels came off, and bailed out before it hit the wall and exploded.
 
theprestige said:
The other people who were going along to get along, themselves indulging, or otherwise complicit in preserving this culture of abuse?

Yeah, it really sucks for them.
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Believing that everyone involved in the productions knew how far Spacey was going with his disgusting behavior is a pretty big assumption. I also think that, while the bosses of the projects where his behavior was known should absolutely be considered responsible for enabling Spacey, it's pretty hard to assign a lot of blame to people who are just trying to work for a living, especially if said bosses were known to be indulging him. Those people, the ones who were hoping for exposure and maybe some nice residuals to tide them over when they're between jobs, are the ones for whom I feel bad.
 
theprestige said:
The other people who were going along to get along, themselves indulging, or otherwise complicit in preserving this culture of abuse?

Yeah, it really sucks for them.

And for Netflix? Seems like they won out just fine. They rode the train till the wheels came off, and bailed out before it hit the wall and exploded.
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Could have been better for them if they had gotten out at the previous station without buying a ticket for the next.
 
Being closeted helped Spacey conceal his pattern of behavior:

"I consider that a pretty important principle: You don't out people,” he said. “But it tied my hands. If I were to publish a story about Kevin Spacey sexually harassing me on the job … there's no way without making it quite clear that he likes guys."
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Brainster said:
Being closeted helped Spacey conceal his pattern of behavior:
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Exploiting the generally good nature of others is common in sexual predators. The classic example is making someone think that they were leading the predator on. A decent person can't help but examine their own actions, and such a person wouldn't be sanguine about the idea of potentially feeling responsible for ruining someone else's life, even if feeling that way is unreasonable.
 
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