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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 26

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Vixen said:
If it was going to be an acquittal, Gumbel's lawyers would not have advised him to settle.

In law, some things are certain. If you are parked illegally and you get a parking ticket, your lawyer will advise you to pay the fine.

Likewise, the calumny is there: 'Mignini put pressure on me [Sollecito] to withdraw my alibi for Amanda'. This is a demonstrable lie. The lawyers will have advised Gumbel to 'just settle'. The law says he is in the wrong. Full stop.
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Could you - please - provide a quote from "Honor Bound" for the highlighted part, since it's the book this sattelite trial was about...

TruthCalls said:
Could you please explain how this is demonstrable?

You have no evidence of a settlement, nor do you have any evidence his lawyer advised him to settle. In fact, it would appear you have invented this entire affair, contrary to what is being reported in the media, and your sole source of information is chronic liar Quennell. Such is the power of confirmation bias.
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Vixen said:
Raff made his claim circa 12:30am that, 'She asked me to lie for her. She was not with me between 20:45 and 01:00 and I do not know where she was. I came home alone at circa 21:00 whilst she went to Le chic. What I told you before was a sack of ****.'

Mignini did not arrive at the Questura until six or seven hours later, circa 7:00 am.
Hence, demonstrably false that Mignini 'pressured me to withdraw my alibi for Amanda'.
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...providing that quote I asked for above, would help to understand, why the second highlight (source for that, please) is important... ;)
 
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Vixen, do you have any evidence that Christopher is Kenneth Robinson's son or are you just assuming this due to the common surname? It's a very common surname. According to the 2010 US census, it's the 30th most common surname in the country. In fact, I found the obituary of a Christopher Robinson who died in 2011 whose father was named Kenneth. I found nothing stating Knox's boyfriend is the son of the owner of the Seattle Herald. If you have information stating otherwise, please produce it.
 
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Vixen said:
Raff made his claim circa 12:30am that, 'She asked me to lie for her. She was not with me between 20:45 and 01:00 and I do not know where she was. I came home alone at circa 21:00 whilst she went to Le chic. What I told you before was a sack of ****.'

Mignini did not arrive at the Questura until six or seven hours later, circa 7:00 am.
Hence, demonstrably false that Mignini 'pressured me to withdraw my alibi for Amanda'.
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No. The police called Mignini directly after Amanda signed the 1:45 AM statement and he came right over after getting dressed. Even Follain writes that Mignini was there well before 5:45 AM

Ficarra rushed to fetch Napoleoni out of the room where she was still questioning Raffaele. Out of Raffaele’s hearing, Ficarra announced: ‘Amanda’s confessed, she says Patrick killed Meredith.’Amanda’s turnaround electrified Mignini and the detectives. Shattered and tense after so many sleepless nights, they urgently discussed what to do next, but couldn’t agree on the best strategy.
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At 5.45 a.m., Mignini summoned Amanda. Speaking through an interpreter, the prosecutor asked if she was willing to make a statement.
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So, no...Mignini did not arrive around 7:00 AM.

Follain, John. A Death in Italy: The Definitive Account of the Amanda Knox Case (Kindle Location 1935). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.
 
Vixen said:
Preston can never again set foot in Italy, as the Italians refuse to tell him what his legal status is with regards to his defamation, which led to him being booted out of the country.
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There is a statute of limitations even in Italy. He was not "booted out of the country" legally. He left after Mignini threatened him. Smart man knowing what a vindictive, petty person Mignini is.
 
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Vixen said:
Preston can never again set foot in Italy, as the Italians refuse to tell him what his legal status is with regards to his defamation, which led to him being booted out of the country.
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There is a statute of limitations even in Italy. He was not "booted out of the country" legally. He left after Mignini threatened him. Smart man knowing what a vindictive, petty person Mignini is.
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Gosh, the font of all human knowledge now, are we?
 
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Stacyhs said:
No. The police called Mignini directly after Amanda signed the 1:45 AM statement and he came right over after getting dressed. Even Follain writes that Mignini was there well before 5:45 AM





So, no...Mignini did not arrive around 7:00 AM.

Follain, John. A Death in Italy: The Definitive Account of the Amanda Knox Case (Kindle Location 1935). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.
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So, Follain is now your Bible?
 
Methos said:
Could you - please - provide a quote from "Honor Bound" for the highlighted part, since it's the book this sattelite trial was about...




...providing that quote I asked for above, would help to understand, why the second highlight (source for that, please) is important... ;)
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I'm in Finland ATM so have no access. Soz.
 
Stacyhs said:
Vixen, do you have any evidence that Christopher is Kenneth Robinson's son or are you just assuming this due to the common surname? It's a very common surname. According to the 2010 US census, it's the 30th most common surname in the country. In fact, I found the obituary of a Christopher Robinson who died in 2011 whose father was named Kenneth. I found nothing stating Knox's boyfriend is the son of the owner of the Seattle Herald. If you have information stating otherwise, please produce it.
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It's common knowledge.
 
Vixen said:
I'm in Finland ATM so have no access. Soz.
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So.... when you do not have sources handy, you just make stuff up?

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Vixen said:
So, Follain is now your Bible?
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Hardly, but since he's so widely accepted by PGP it's better to quote him than, say, Candice. But regardless, you should know that the 5:45 statement was based upon Mignini taking a "spontaneous statement" from Amanda. So if the document is timestamped 5:45 then surely Mignini was there well before then. My guess is you simply forgot about this and then in typical Vixen fashion just made up 7am cause it worked well for you at the time. Consistently sticking to known facts really does tend to increase one's credibility. Just a suggestion.
 
Vixen said:
Raff made his claim circa 12:30am that, 'She asked me to lie for her. She was not with me between 20:45 and 01:00 and I do not know where she was. I came home alone at circa 21:00 whilst she went to Le chic. What I told you before was a sack of ****.'

Mignini did not arrive at the Questura until six or seven hours later, circa 7:00 am.

Hence, demonstrably false that Mignini 'pressured me to withdraw my alibi for Amanda'.
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The discussion was about how he would be guilty of calunnia based on what he wrote in his book about being pressured to lie. So...

(1) I asked you how this is demonstrable and you give me some crap about Raffaele saying Amanda asked him to lie and how she wasn't with him between 20:45 and 01:00. This obviously has NOTHING to do with what was being discussed. I'd say 'nice try' but it really isn't.

(2) Raffaele's comments about "detectives" asking him to give up Amanda came years later. It did not involve Mignini and it was not in his book. Remember, this is about his book and legal issues regarding what's contained within it. Citing things said outside of the book is irrelevant.

Now, do you want to try again?? A quote from his book would be very helpful to this end.


And BTW (and unrelated to the discussion but...) WE know Raffaele's confused recollection of Amanda going out while he went home alone had nothing to do with the night of the murder because that timeline is completely blown away by Popovic's testimony of seeing Amanda at Raffaele's twice that evening AND because it's entirely consistent with what happened on Halloween. WE also know, per Raffaele's statements, that the police had him confused on dates and so he requested to see a calendar, which they refused him (why? rhetorical question.. I know why). It's very obvious he gave them details for Halloween evening, not the night of the murder. Any honest person would look at how that interrogation was handled and what Raffaele said and understand this. But those obsessively committed to claiming Amanda and Raffaele were involved will latch onto anything and repeat it over incessantly with their own spin. I find this very disingenuous of you, Vixen.
 
Stacyhs said:
There is a statute of limitations even in Italy. He was not "booted out of the country" legally. He left after Mignini threatened him. Smart man knowing what a vindictive, petty person Mignini is.
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Vixen said:
Gosh, the font of all human knowledge now, are we?
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Excellent rebuttal, Vix! Did you learn it in Debate 101?

Are you now claiming there is no statute of limitation in Italy?
 
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Vixen said:
So, Follain is now your Bible?
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Once again, excellent rebuttal!

Here's court testimony:

FICARRA: At the moment that she saw the message it was as if she was astonished. May I give my impression? Well, if I can’t then let’s move on. At the moment that she saw the test message on the cell phone she took a second to look at it and so I can’t give my impression. Afterwards she burst out crying and accused him to be the author of the murder and to have been there at the house together with him.

GHIRGA: The prosecutor arrived and then what happened? Was a lawyer nominated for her?
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GHIRGA: I want to ask a question. All of those activities of courtesy, the hot tea, the pastry, came, if I understand correctly, after the spontaneous declaration made to the prosecutor and before the notice of arrest, or after the arrest…
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That would be the 5:45 statement. Does 5:45 AM come after 7:00 AM in the UK or Finland?
 
Vixen said:
It's common knowledge.
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In other words, no. You don't have any evidence. :jaw-dropp

I've read several articles, including ones in the DM, about Knox, Robinson and that she is writing for the Seattle Herald. Not one mentions Christopher being Kenneth Robinson's son. One would think they would if true.
 
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Stacyhs said:
In other words, no. You don't have any evidence. :jaw-dropp
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More revealing is that the PGP treat extensive biographical background data on tertiary bit players in the saga as common knowledge.

When you know what a senator's brother did 40 years ago, or who was whose highschool crush, or the name of a boyfriend's father, because they once said something supportive of a girl you hate - you are on the crazy side of the discussion. Spoiler alert.
 
bagels said:
More revealing is that the PGP treat extensive biographical background data on tertiary bit players in the saga as common knowledge.

When you know what a senator's brother did 40 years ago, or who was whose highschool crush, or the name of a boyfriend's father, because they once said something supportive of a girl you hate - you are on the crazy side of the discussion. Spoiler alert.
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It's not as crazy as you think. The Mafia/American Media has them all on the payroll.

And it's not just tertiary. Have you not heard of six degrees of separation? Yes, even Kevin Bacon is on the payroll.
 
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