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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 26

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Stacyhs said:
Why "should" they? It may be obvious to us but Meredith was not our daughter or sister. We can look at the case more objectively. Place yourself in their shoes. They were told from the beginning by the police, the prosecutor and their lawyer that AK and RS killed MK. The evidence, at the time, seemed to strongly support that. The British media and public opinion supported that. The first trial concluded guilt. The third trial concluded guilt. Other courts ruled that multiple people were involved (however flimsy was their reasoning). Families have a very difficult time believing that defendants were wrongly convicted. There psychological/emotional reasons for this. It's not usual. I doubt the Kerchers will ever believe AK and RS are innocent.
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I believe this early misinformation has shaped their views up to the present. I doubt that their lawyer, Maresca, explained to the Kerchers that there was no real, credible evidence in the case against Knox and Sollecito. To do so would have been against his interest in maintaining their civil case and potentially winning a financial judgment.
 
TruthCalls said:
Could you please explain how this is demonstrable?

You have no evidence of a settlement, nor do you have any evidence his lawyer advised him to settle. In fact, it would appear you have invented this entire affair, contrary to what is being reported in the media, and your sole source of information is chronic liar Quennell. Such is the power of confirmation bias.
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Raff made his claim circa 12:30am that, 'She asked me to lie for her. She was not with me between 20:45 and 01:00 and I do not know where she was. I came home alone at circa 21:00 whilst she went to Le chic. What I told you before was a sack of ****.'

Mignini did not arrive at the Questura until six or seven hours later, circa 7:00 am.

Hence, demonstrably false that Mignini 'pressured me to withdraw my alibi for Amanda'.
 
Numbers said:
Why did Mignini withdraw his complaint for alleged defamation against Sollecito and Gumbel?

My firm belief is that he would have done so only under pressure. And my opinion is that during the pretrial investigation of the defamation charge, information was developed that showed that Mignini had indeed committed acts that would make him lose his case and embarrass him and possibly result in another censure by the Superior Council of the Judiciary. Mignini chose to end his lawsuit to prevent this information from becoming public.
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Er, 'damages'.
 
Matthew Best said:
How many, and who are you referring to?

There's pretty much only one person on this thread who thinks Knox is guilty.
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There is no-one in North Korea who doesn't rapturously adore the Dear Leader and have a shrine dedicated to his picture in their home.

It's called 'the logical fallacy of appealing to the crowd'.
 
Bill Williams said:
There's evidence and then there's stuff admissible in court.

As for the latter, the evidence admissible in Italian courts is sometimes, but apparently not always, generated by lower court rulings rather than what might be parochially called "hard" evidence.

So, there was, apparently, a case against the pair if one stuck to "judicial truths", and if one allowed the judge to be the "expert of the experts" whose intuition was allowed to overrule actual forensic experts.

That's how Massei in 2009 and Nencini in 2014 had convicted. It was the judicial process of a former age in Italy which manufactured convictions. It was the gradual conversion to the adversarial legal system which acquitted the pair.

It all depends on whether or not you believe a prosecutor is not an interested party to the proceedings, is completely objective and who just brings to court the unvarnished "facts".

Get a nutcase like Mignini who'd just been embarrassed by the Narducci trials, who'd at the time found himself charged with abuse of office, who was desperate for a judicial win.....

..... and you get this mess which is a day short of a decade old. At the end of the day what remains is a horrible murder and a family in England who's never been told the truth by their own lawyer.
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Takes one to know one.
 
Vixen said:
There is no-one in North Korea who doesn't rapturously adore the Dear Leader and have a shrine dedicated to his picture in their home.

It's called 'the logical fallacy of appealing to the crowd'.
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A) Irrelevant
B) Not true
 
Vixen said:
Takes one to know one.
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So you admit he's a nutcase then!

BTW what happened with RS and AG's forecasted admission of lying? You guys will never recover from Mignini throwing in the towel over claims he'd been defamed.

Just press on with the guilt-misinformation campaign as if nothing had happened.
 
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Vixen said:
Raff made his claim circa 12:30am that, 'She asked me to lie for her. She was not with me between 20:45 and 01:00 and I do not know where she was. I came home alone at circa 21:00 whilst she went to Le chic. What I told you before was a sack of ****.'

Mignini did not arrive at the Questura until six or seven hours later, circa 7:00 am.

Hence, demonstrably false that Mignini 'pressured me to withdraw my alibi for Amanda'.
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What an odd claim. How do you account for your own demonstrably false claims in that case?
 
Vixen said:
Shows her to be the utterly despicable callous psychopath she is proud of being.

I note her partner's dad is the owner of West Seattle Herald, who was issued a writ by MIgnini of defamation. So the only reason she ever got a column at all was because Ken Robinson had a grudge and wanted revenge.
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And whatever became of said writ?
 
abaddon said:
And whatever became of said writ?
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Doug Preston, Frank Sfarzo and Robinson et al set up some petition with a fancy name 'Campaign for the Freedom of US Journalists' or some such.

Preston can never again set foot in Italy, as the Italians refuse to tell him what his legal status is with regards to his defamation, which led to him being booted out of the country.

You can read the shenanigans here:


http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php...nst_italian_justice_officials_mr_mignini_sue/
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php...wing_from_a_needlessly_hard_line_pr_campaign/
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php...smears_of_prosecutor_mignini_by_knox_friends/
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/is_the_amanda_knox_defense_team_being_undermined/
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php...the_hard_pro-knox_party_line_in_west_seattle/

You can read Candace Dempsey's side of the matter here (a rabid pro-Knox worshipper):

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2...ns-italian-journalists-over-amanda-knox-case/

So you see, Knox' 10th Anniversary article of her great sorrow over her dear departed friend is just a coldly calculated broadside meant for Mignini.
 
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Vixen said:
Doug Preston, Frank Sfarzo and Robinson et al set up some petition with a fancy name 'Campaign for the Freedom of US Journalists' or some such.

Preston can never again set foot in Italy, as the Italians refuse to tell him what his legal status is with regards to his defamation, which led to him being booted out of the country.
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Not an answer. What became of said writ?

ETA: And while we are at it...
abaddon said:
What an odd claim. How do you account for your own demonstrably false claims in that case?
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Vixen said:
Shows her to be the utterly despicable callous psychopath she is proud of being.
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Rubbish. It shows the dubious agenda belonging to someone claiming to be able to diagnose these things from a an opinion column.

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Vixen said:
There is no-one in North Korea who doesn't rapturously adore the Dear Leader and have a shrine dedicated to his picture in their home.

It's called 'the logical fallacy of appealing to the crowd'.
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Ergo, bigfoot is real
 
Vixen said:
Doug Preston, Frank Sfarzo and Robinson et al set up some petition with a fancy name 'Campaign for the Freedom of US Journalists' or some such.

Preston can never again set foot in Italy, as the Italians refuse to tell him what his legal status is with regards to his defamation, which led to him being booted out of the country.
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Wow it's hard to believe Italy has the worst ranking for freedom of the press in western Europe when you put it like that.
 
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