The problem is that US Intel does not always tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They sometimes use red flags to start wars, along with Israel, like the sinking of that US ship Liberty with many casualties by Israel during the six day war in 1967. I agree that there are Russian spies and part of their job is to spy and hack American emails. Putin is an old KGB man. Ray McGovern agrees with that. These leaks of confidential Trump phone calls probably come from US Intel. That's illegal. Trump isn't running the country.
This is what Ray McGovern has on the internet about the matter, and it makes sense to me:
Amazing! So in response to posts taking you to task for your repeated and exclusive dependence on opinion and not facts, you quote Ray McGovern as to what Craig Murray blogged as to a paraphrased quote lifted out of context from Obama's last press conference? No doubt, given your commitment to evidence, you went to the actual video of the press conference to see for your self? Well I did, and here is the actual Obama quote:
"The conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking were not conclusive as to whether WikiLeaks was witting or not in being the conduit through which we heard about the DNC e-mails that were leaked." (emphasis mine)
1. The overall context: Obama was responding to a question about his commutation of Chelsea Manning's sentence and leaks in general. Not a big deal, but useful for accurately understanding the focus of his comments.
2. More importantly, Obama never questioned whether Russia hacked the DNC-their guilt is implicit in his quoted statement and noted clearly elsewhere in this and other press conferences/information released by his administration.
3. Similarly Obama never questioned if Russia was the source of the material leaked to Wikileaks- clearly that is what he and the intelligence community, indeed even the Republican Congress, accepts as fact. In the quote, Obama only noted that the intelligence community was not certain if Wikileaks was a
witting conduit (i.e. knew the material came from a Russian hack and participated willing in that regard) or did it without knowing Russia was the ultimate source of the material.
For someone for whom facts and evidence are so crucial, I am shocked that you never bothered to verify the accuracy of a double hearsay opinion offered by two politically motivated, lying trolls. A clue for you as to Murray's reliability ands truthfulness comes from your own citation. In it, Murray makes a big deal of how Obama refers to leaks instead of hacks:
“Most crucially of all Obama refers to ‘The DNC emails that were leaked.’ Note ‘leaked’ and not ‘hacked.’"- Murray
If you examine the actual Obama quote, above, the very one Murray makes a big deal of, please note that Obama refers to the Russian
hacking and the WikiLeaks
leaking. A accurate use of language, and one that absolutely demonstrates that Murray's (and McGovern's) argument based on this quote was an intentional lie.
Be assured that any future use of McGovern or Murray to defend your position will be easily dismissed out of hand. Citing the opinions of known liars is not a good strategy to establish your own veracity. You may have to resort to actual evidence and facts.
