Transgender man gives birth

CosCos said:
My "issue" is shared by billions of people around the world. It is not normal for people to walk around naked and unafraid. It is basic human nature and codified in law. I'm not going to get into this argument, I already stated that we are not the odd ones out.
Click to expand...

That does seem to be normal in some locations. Well maybe with a 3' penis sheath.
 
DragonLady said:
Okay; I've read the whole thread, but I have questions:

Why is there a fine for calling someone the wrong gender? To me, that's essentially a fine for "saying mean things" or simply "name calling".
Click to expand...

It is about degree and scope. Like sexual harassment laws do not make it illegal to ask a coworker on a date, this is rather similar. It is meant to target gender based harassment.
 
uke2se said:
Wow. You really shouldn't go into mind-reading, because you failed spectacularly. My argument is that people who argue that trans gendered people should use the "right" locker room would be freaked out if that actually happened, and one of those trans men walked into a women's locker room.
Click to expand...

It is like the cartoon says trans people have the option of getting yelled at or getting beat up. That is working as it is intended to work.
 
xjx388 said:
What's wrong with using the term transman? That makes it clear and shouldn't be offensive. We can still use the male pronouns and be polite, but we aren't denying reality either.
Click to expand...

Because it shows that trans men are not real men. Think of it worded like this

Real American
African American.

You see the problem.
 
sylvan8798 said:
People with mental illness who are a disruption or a danger to themselves and those around them should be put in mental hospitals.
Click to expand...

And making people uncomfortable is a disruption. This is why all gay people need to be put into mental hospitals. They are causing disruptions and as society will not countenance that.
 
xjx388 said:
If a pre surgical transwoman wants to go to the spa and use the whirlpool before her massage, which lounge should she use? If your answer is "women's," I would imagine the other women in there would mostly be uncomfortable with a penis-possessing person seeing them naked.
Click to expand...

And they will be totally comfortable with the trans man?
 
Aepervius said:
Poll shows about 66% acceptance among young women of TG women in women changing room (accepting or not having opinion), and a 33% acceptance in old women. ETA: interestingly it seems similar among gender by age. So the factor on rejection/acceptance is not gender, but age.
Click to expand...

What do they they of sharing spaces with transgender men?

Everyone was up in arms when the transgender boy won the texas girls wrestling competition. That was going by everyone's arguments here about biology but there many of the same people seem to think it was wrong that girls had to wrestle against him.
 
GlennB said:
A person (A) who is genetically male, and has a history of heterosexual male activity, dates a person who self-identifies as a woman (B) after meeting on an internet dating site. They get close and cuddly, and A discovers that B has a a full set of "a boy's dangly bits".

Does he get a refund, or just an interesting new experience?

Seriously ... the scenario regarding the spa, upthread, is a real consideration.
Click to expand...

He gets a free murder under trans panic guidelines.
 
To all the people who are freaked out about dating a woman with a penis, would you date a man with a vagina?

And the message is clear, it isn't that you want to keep trans women out of the ladies locker room, it is you want to keep all transgender people out of all locker rooms.
 
Mumbles said:
Because said person asked you to.
Click to expand...

The question is, why should you be *required* to. In the context of this discussion, required by a third party, with penalties for non compliance.

Because they asked you to? That might be enough to create a purely social obligation, out of common courtesy. But I don't know that it creates a government duty to compel you to observe that social obligation against your will.

This signature is intended to irradiate people.
 
ponderingturtle said:
To all the people who are freaked out about dating a woman with a penis, would you date a man with a vagina?
Click to expand...

No. I'm a natural born male with a penis that only wants a natural born woman with a vagina. Does that make me a bigot too? How about anyone that does not want to date me? Are they bigots because they are only attracted to people not like me?

Look, I'm a pretty liberal guy. Especially with sexual issues. I believe everyone should do what ever makes them happy as long as they are not interfering with the rights of someone else.

This extreme left wing nonsense is just as bad a extreme right wing nonsense. It's like they are saying mind your own business, but at the same time telling everyone else how they should act and feel.
 
Wolrab said:
I would use the same type of catheter on a man or a woman.
Click to expand...

Totally missing the point, and one that was covered in my post under "ftsoa". Jesus H Xhristos, were you so keen to demonstrate medical expertise that you didn't even read the post?

eta: my apologies - that was a nasty response. Heat-stressed here ;)
 
Last edited:
mike81 said:
No. I'm a natural born male with a penis that only wants a natural born woman with a vagina. Does that make me a bigot too? How about anyone that does not want to date me? Are they bigots because they are only attracted to people not like me?

Look, I'm a pretty liberal guy. Especially with sexual issues. I believe everyone should do what ever makes them happy as long as they are not interfering with the rights of someone else.

This extreme left wing nonsense is just as bad a extreme right wing nonsense. It's like they are saying mind your own business, but at the same time telling everyone else how they should act and feel.
Click to expand...

*facepalm*

Nobody is making you date girls with dicks.

Seriously... is this what it's all about?
 
uke2se said:
Nobody is making you date girls with dicks.
Click to expand...

Unless they don't announce their possession of a dick until you meet them? (pretty much my A+B dating scenario upthread there somewhere)

It's a bit like (but not too much ;)) when a dinner guest waits until they arrive to tell you they're vegan.
 
Just to keep everyone on the same page:

Nobody (in this thread) is saying that you need to date trans-gendered people. If you want to, that's cool, but nobody (here) is going to call you a bigot if you say "no thanks" to a girl with a dick.

What trans-gendered people are asking for (at least what we're talking about in this thread) is that you kindly refer to them in the pronoun they chose, or not at all (at least to their face), and that you maybe allow them to use the bathroom/locker room that corresponds with the gender they are transitioning to.

All if it's not too bloody much to ask, of course.
 
GlennB said:
Unless they don't announce their possession of a dick until you meet them? (pretty much my A+B dating scenario upthread there somewhere)

It's a bit like (but not too much ;)) when a dinner guest waits until they arrive to tell you they're vegan.
Click to expand...

Maybe by that time you're too into it to stop. Is that what's frightening you?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Because it shows that trans men are not real men. Think of it worded like this

Real American
African American.

You see the problem.
Click to expand...

Not really.

As a "Mexican-"American who never lived in Mexico (2nd time today this has come up!), I think X-American is a stupid thing to call someone. One is either Mexican or American. Maybe those with dual citizenship could logically be called Mexican-American. In any case, any citizen of the US is American and that really should be the end of it. Until we stop using these dumb hyphens to refer to each other, we are going to have problems with race and ethnicity.

As far as transmen, I wouldn't put it as whether or not they are "real" men. "Real," in this context, carries unnecessary connotations. If a man cried or worked as a nurse, I would never say they weren't "real" men, for a simple example. The social and cultural roles assigned to men and women are arbitrary and don't reflect the true diversity of the human species. So from a sociocultural outlook, transmen are as "real" as any man, IMHO. But from a biological outlook, no matter how many hormones they take or surgeries they undergo, a biological female will always be a biological female. Men don't have babies in that context and they never will. So strictly speaking, transmen are not in fact men.

So when we are speaking about biological function, we should never say that a man gave birth because it's just plain inaccurate. In hindsight, I should have paid more attention to the source. I got caught up in the deeper argument when in fact, it really wasn't warranted. Tabloids be tabloids -gotta generate them clicks.
 
mike81 said:
No. I'm a natural born male with a penis that only wants a natural born woman with a vagina. Does that make me a bigot too? How about anyone that does not want to date me? Are they bigots because they are only attracted to people not like me?
Click to expand...

It's ok, trans panic has you totally covered to get away with the murder. You don't have to worry about it, and really no one worries about trans women who get killed in such altercations.
 
xjx388 said:
Not really.

As a "Mexican-"American who never lived in Mexico (2nd time today this has come up!), I think X-American is a stupid thing to call someone. One is either Mexican or American. Maybe those with dual citizenship could logically be called Mexican-American. In any case, any citizen of the US is American and that really should be the end of it. Until we stop using these dumb hyphens to refer to each other, we are going to have problems with race and ethnicity.
Click to expand...

Exactly you are not an american, you are a mexican american. Just like the trans man is not a man only a transman.

American does not include mexican american and Man does not include transman simple really.

Other wise you have Men as a category that includes both cis men and trans men. Like American including white americans, african americans, mexican americans and that would be crazy.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom