Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

[WilliamSeger]

William do you really want our country to fail?

No, I don't know how you could be so unobservant, but I want to see your cult leader sent back to reality TV where he belongs, BEFORE he does irreversible damage. He is mentally ill.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Oh, that's impressive, coming from someone who actually wants the US to fail hard. Does that mean you think we're allies now?

Thanks for the admission. Contrary to you, I don't want the US to fail hard at all, I want the Empire to land as a Republic, as soft as possible because the planet can't stand hard crashes of that kind anymore.


Allies? LOL

 

[Meadmaker]

I already told you why, shall I put up the post for once again?

You already told us why he won't release them. You haven't told us why he won't give a straight answer about why he won't release them.

Unlike many people on this board, I don't care whether he releases them or not, and I don't think it ought to be required of presidential candidates. If Donald Trump were a more honest fellow he would tell us the real reason he won't release them. Instead, he lies, because that's what he does.

As I said earlier, it pains me that, from an electoral perspective, lying is probably his best option. Oh, well. We get the president we deserve.

 

[Darat]

Keep to the Russian issues /news etc. in this thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Meadmaker]

I'll feel the same way when the Clinton crime family foundation is investigated.

LOOK OVER THERE====================>

 

[quadraginta]

Mueller is a registered Republican, appointed to head the FBI in 2001 by Bush.

Maybe he's not a real Republican. Maybe he only calls himself a Republican.

There ought to be a name for that sort of thing. It happens so often.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Thanks for the admission. Contrary to you, I don't want the US to fail hard at all, I want the Empire to land as a Republic, as soft as possible because the planet can't stand hard crashes of that kind anymore.


Allies? LOL

I wasn't admitting anything; I was pointing out the absurd conclusion your fuzzy logic leads to.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I wasn't admitting anything; I was pointing out the absurd conclusion your fuzzy logic leads to.

You wish.

 

[acbytesla]

You wish.

Do you really think this is clever? What is the 'gotcha' nonsense?

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Thanks for the admission. Contrary to you, I don't want the US to fail hard at all, I want the Empire to land as a Republic, as soft as possible because the planet can't stand hard crashes of that kind anymore.

Agreed. One more sick Russia that can only cycle between offering the world totalitarian misery, or death threats, is enough. Have a workable recipe in mind for the transition, or can we summarize it as "adopt my fave xyz utopian nightmare?" Saves discussion time.

 

[jimbob]

The House and Senate reached veto proof agreement today on tough sanctions against Russia that cannot be undone without approval by Congress. The bill was passed by the Senate 98-2.

Putin's going to be pissed.

Trump is pushed in a corner; either veto the bill and look guilty as hell, or sign it and risk whatever Putin has on him coming out. I'll bet 10 internet points that he vetoes.

I don't know. Even his boss must know that would be futile.

This is where Trump's personality defect might come into play. The rational thing to do would be to accept this gracefully. However that might be an affront to his ego.

He's going to start holding grudges against GOP senators regardless of his other actions. We know how he rewards loyal service in a difficult situation (except for Flynn), so people affronting his dignity really won't play well with him.

 

[Tero]

Sanctions bill going through congress. Trump will have to sign something. Putin can then play his Trump card.

 

[CapelDodger]

The House and Senate reached veto proof agreement today on tough sanctions against Russia that cannot be undone without approval by Congress. The bill was passed by the Senate 98-2.

Putin's going to be pissed.

So much for Trump's claim that the Dems are being purely obstructive.

 

[CapelDodger]

Karma's a B.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/...version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

Oh my, how wonderful. The Whitewater strategy comes back to bite, not just in the infinitely-flexible remit of special investigaors but now with this.

 

[CapelDodger]

Trump not convinced Russian meddling took place, communications chief says
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...denies-it-is-looking-into-presidential-pardon

Asked on Sunday if Trump would veto the new sanctions, which were passed overwhelmingly by both parties in the Senate, Scaramucci said: “He hasn’t made the decision yet to sign that bill, one way or the other.”

This clashed with remarks by Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the newly promoted White House press secretary, who said Trump does intend to approve the legislation. She told ABC’s This Week: “We support where the legislation is now.”

Not the best of starts for the new press team.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Scaramucci: "Somebody told me yesterday and I'm not going to tell you who ... [but it was said that if the Russians had done it, there would have been no trace]."

Jake Tapper: Objects to the credibility of the claim.

Scaramucci: "What if I told you the source was the President?"



Does this idiot not know Trump has less credibility than a toenail?

See the exchange yourself here.

 

[Aber]

Scaramucci: "Somebody told me yesterday and I'm not going to tell you who ... [but it was said that if the Russians had done it, there would have been no trace]."

Jake Tapper: Objects to the credibility of the claim.

Scaramucci: "What if I told you the source was the President?"

And who put the idea into the President's mind?

Probably Putin.

 

[Civet]

Scaramucci: "Somebody told me yesterday and I'm not going to tell you who ... [but it was said that if the Russians had done it, there would have been no trace]."

Jake Tapper: Objects to the credibility of the claim.

Scaramucci: "What if I told you the source was the President?"



Does this idiot not know Trump has less credibility than a toenail?

See the exchange yourself here.

I thought you were joking for a second. It's like an Onion article escaped into the real world. The POTUS is actually a less reliable source than if he'd said it was some anonymous poster on 4chan.

 

[jimbob]

Back on topic

A fair number of bits added



New additions in Red

Mar 19| Podesta email hacked
Apr 19| DCLeaks.com registered
May 3| Trump becomes presumptive nominee
June 3| Goldstone contacts Trump Jr. to setup meeting which promises to discuss Clinton
June 7 17:16 | Don Jr. confirms meeting w/ Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya l"] Trump promises press conf the next week with Clinton dirt [/COLOR]
June 8| Trump posts link to DCLeaks
June 9| Trump Jr, Kushner, Manafort meet with Russian operative
June 12| Assange announces Clinton emails
June 27| Hacked emails posted to DCLeaks
July 11| Trump/Manafort nix pro-Ukranian plank in GOP platform (and lie about it)
Late July | Unusual activity noticed between Russian bank and Trump server
Aug 21| Roger Stone writes "it will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel"
Oct -7 | Pussygate video released
Oct 7| Wikileaks releases Podesta emails (an hour later)
Early December| Kushner meets Sergi Girkov _ personal friend of Putin
Dec 29 | Obama announces sanctions against Russia for election interference
Dec 29| Flynn places 5-calls with Russian ambassador
2017 | ----
Jan 6| Unclassified intelligence report issued on Russian hacking
Jan 6| Comey meets Trump for first time. COmey prepares memo to document meeting
Jan 10| Sessions denies any communication between campaign and Russia*
Jan 10| Obama's national security adviser (Rice) informs Trump of Plan to retake ISIS-held Raqqa - Flynn tells Rice to hold off
Jan 11| Trump says Russia probably was behind hacking (but others were also hacking)
Jan 11| Erik Prince ($250k donor to Trump campaign meets in Seychelles to set up backdoor communication channel to Russia
Jan 13| Spicer says Flynn only placed one call to Russian ambassador on Dec 29 (see table)
Jan 15| Trump says we should trust Russia
Jan 15| Pence says Flynn's calls to Russian ambassador on day that Obama announced sanctions was coincidence. Pence also denies any contacts between Russia and Trump's team
Jan 18| Kushner omits meetings with Russian ambassador in his security clearance note
Jan 23| At his first press conference Spicer denies Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador. US intelligence intercepts show this was untrue.
Jan 20+| Trump team tasks State Department officials with rolling back Russian sanctions - panicked officials lobby congress to stop this
Jan 26| Acting AG, Sally Yates informs White House Counsel (McGhan) that Flynn lied about Russian contacts. Spicer claims White House immediately informed
Jan 27| McGhan calls Yates to discuss Flynn
Jan 27| Trump demands loyalty from Comey - Comey minutes this and discloses it to FBI leadership team on groundsthey do not disclose it whilst Comey is director
Jan 30| Trump fires Sally Yates (supposedly on grounds of Muslim ban)
Feb 08| FLynn again denies discussing sanctions with Russia
Feb 08| Sessions confirmed as AG. claims he is “not aware of a basis to recuse myself” from the Justice Department’s Russia-related investigations of Trump
Feb 09| Flynn changes story on discussing sanctions
Feb 10| Trump says he was unaware of reports linking Flynn to Russian sanctions discussions (see Jan 26th)
Feb13| WaPo breaks story that Yates had warned White House about Flynn - Flynn resigns
Feb 14| Spicer again denies any contacts betweenTrum team and Russia
Feb 14| Trump calls Comey for meeting about Flynn - Comey minutes it and discusses it with FBI senior leadership
May| DOJ drops money laundering case against client of Natalia Veselnitskaya
July 08| Don Jr issues statement* saying the meeting was about orphanages
Feb 15| Trump attacks leaks about Russian connections - Congressional Republicans formally ask DoJ to investigate leaks, but not Russia connections
Feb 15| Comey asks Sessions to prevent Trump having direct contact with Comey. Informs Sessions that Trump's behaviour was inappropriate
Feb 15| Former Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page denies meeting with Russians in 2016
Feb 17| Comey meets privately with Senate Intelligence committee members. Afterwards Committee asks agencies to preserve all communications related to the investigation into Russian interference
Feb 28 | GOP Members of House Judiciary Committee kill House Judiciary Committee kills Rep. Jerrold Nadler’s Resolution of Inquiry calling for Trump to provide documents relating to Trump/Russia connections and his business conflicts of interest.
March 02| Carter Page changes story from 15th Feb - Admits to meeting Ambassador Kislyak during campaign. Another adviser JD Gordon admits meeting Kislyak during July convention
March 02| White House confirms stories of December meeting of Kislyak, Flynn and Kushner
July 09 | NYT prepares to release story about the meeting supposedly about dirt on Clinton
July-09 | Donald Trump Jr. issues a new statement* changing his story from less than 24 hours earlier, and accepting that it was about getting dirt on clinton but that nothing came of it:
July-10| Don Jr hires lawyer
July-12| Democrats ask questions about the DoJ dropping the money lanudering case

*Sessions answers: “I’m not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.”

* " “It was a short introductory meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up… I was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.”"


*“I was asked to have a meeting by an acquaintance I knew from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant with an individual who I was told might have information helpful to the campaign. I was not told her name prior to the meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to attend, but told them nothing of the substance. We had a meeting in June 2016. After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information. She then changed subjects and began discussing the adoption of Russian children and mentioned the Magnitsky Act. It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting. I interrupted and advised her that my father was not an elected official, but rather a private citizen, and that her comments and concerns were better addressed if and when he held public office. The meeting lasted approximately 20 to 30 minutes. As it ended, my acquaintance apologized for taking up our time. That was the end of it and there was no further contact or follow-up of any kind. My father knew nothing of the meeting or these events.”

 

[skyeagle409]

Trump not convinced Russian meddling took place, communications chief says
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...denies-it-is-looking-into-presidential-pardon
Not the best of starts for the new press team.

That doesn't surprise me considering that Trump doesn't want to ruffle Putin's feathers with the truth. Both Putin and Trump know that Russian meddled in the US presidential elections and both lied.