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Happy 70th UFO Anniversary!

John Jones said:
Von Däniken's law: Everything you don't understand is evidence of UFOs. If you understand almost nothing, you see evidence of UFOs everywhere.
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They are everywhere. 120,000 reports and counting. Now, countries around the world are releasing their own declassified UFO case files, including the United States.
 
How many of the reports are younger than me (age 49.5)?

How many of the reports are younger than my daughter (age 20)?

In the age of smartphones with cameras, which any government would have a hard time censoring photos from once they end up on social media, why do we need to look back 40, 50 years or more?
 
skyeagle409 said:
I love challenges, and my challenge to you is to prove me wrong with undeniable evidence.

Failing to meet my challenge, it will be evident that you cannot backup what you say and I will make the most of it. The ball is now on your side of the court and I am waiting for your evidence that proves I am incorrect.
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Like all Conspiracy Theorists, you have the burden of proof ass about face.

YOU are the one who is making the claims that UFOs are alien (extra-terrestrial origin) spacecraft, so the burden of proof is on YOU to prove your claim. Clear video taken independently by dozens of people all from different directions (a la the Chelyabinsk Meteor Airburst in 2013) would be a start, but you can't post any because they don't exist. If the UFO's are as common as you claim, there ought to be thousands of such videos, PUBLICLY TAKEN and uploaded to places like YouTube and Facebook. So, where are they? If they have been seized and classified, then you have to explain how the Gubmint could do that covertly. Also, you claim to have access to classified material, so post them.

No, instead, you post a bunch of old hat, previously debunked, laughable crap (which you call "evidence") all of which is obviously faked and made up; monkeyed photo negatives, rubbish tin lids thrown through the air and photographed, the usual "Adamski" style fakery.

As for me, well its easy, I have no challenge at all, I just need to follow Christopher Hitchins' advice... what you assert without evidence, I can dismiss without evidence.
 
Arisia said:
How many of the reports are younger than me (age 49.5)?

How many of the reports are younger than my daughter (age 20)?

In the age of smartphones with cameras, which any government would have a hard time censoring photos from once they end up on social media, why do we need to look back 40, 50 years or more?
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This

[Off topic]
Your username? Green Lantern Fan or Doc Smith Fan? (given your stated age group, I'm guessing the latter)
 
Cosmic Yak said:
And if you had read my link, you would have seen that the plane's radar was known to be faulty.
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The Iranian UFO incident had nothing to do with radar problems. Remember, both F-4 Phantoms were involved and experienced the same problem when approaching the UFO and only after both aircraft turn away from the UFO did they systems return to normal and it is all there in the report that I've provided.

James Oberg and I once went around over the Iranian UFO incident and I caught him distorting the facts on the F-4 Phantom in regard to its systems. I have experience on the F-4 and knew that what Mr. Oberg stated in regard to the system failures of the F-4 that can automatically fix themselves with a change of heading was false. In other words, my knowledge and experience on the F-4 trumped Mr. Oberg's lack of knowledge on the aircraft.

The UFOs were tracked on ground-based radars as well, and in fact, the UFOs affected a third aircraft. The Iranian pilot reports.

The pilot of the first jet interceptor, Yaddi Nazeri (above in the article, the first pilot is stated as 'Captain Mohammad Reza Azizkhani'), estimated that the UFO was traveling somewhere between two and three thousand miles per hour. He said that the object "...was beyond my speed and power. The [later] F-4... also could not catch up to the object. That's when I thought, this is a UFO." Nazeri added that "...no country had this type of flying object, so I was thinking, this craft is from another planet."

The second F-4 pilot, General Parviz Jafari, said that after trying to fire a missile and failing, they feared for their lives and tried to eject, but the eject button also malfunctioned. At a Washington D.C. press conference on 12 November 2007, Jafari added details that the main object emitted four objects, one that headed towards him and later returned to the main object a short while later, one which he tried unsuccessfully to fire on, another which followed him back, and one which landed on the desert floor and glowed.Following his prepared statement at the press conference, Jafari was asked if he believed he had encountered an alien spacecraft and Pirouzi said he was quite certain that he had.
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As you can see, the UFOs had nothing to do with celestial bodies nor anything to do with radar malfunctions.


Any luck with a link to that satellite tracking yet?
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No problem.



DSP Satellite Tracks Iranian UFOs

The DSP-1 satellite detected an infrared anomaly during the time of this event that lasted for about an hour.

An impressive breakthrough in the confirmation of the Iranian UFO encounter was uncovered by researchers Lee Graham and Ron Regehr, of Aero-Jet in California.They confirmed that the UFO sighting over Tehran was, in fact, tracked by the United States military's DSP satellite. During their investigations, Graham and Regehr have located computer print-outs from the time frame of the Iranian UFO overflight, which show that the DSP definitely detected an "anomalous object" in Iranian air space.

Computer printout of the anomalous event with the classified term "238 SCANS - POSSIBLE SR."
http://www.mufon.com/iranian-airforce-ufo-intercept---1976.html

http://www.ufodigest.com/shadowmag/extra/topsecret.html
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I also wish to further add.


NORAD Tracks UFOs

"The Air Force NORAD facility, it has been convincingly reported, observes these "fastwalkers" from its subterranean facility deep inside Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, and tracks a rough average of 500 of them (UFOs for the uninitiated) each YEAR as they enter the Earth's atmosphere from deep space, maneuver around, and then leave again. [/HILITE]This is not a fiction. It corroborates a similar report from AeroJet General engineers Lee Graham and Ron Regehr, who have revealed to the well respected UFO researcher Don Ecker documents indicating that AeroJet's DSP satellite system, alone, routinely detects UFOs flying into Earth's atmosphere from deep space... up to two to three times per month."

" Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Howard Blum reported that NORAD tracks many UFOs on its deep space radars."
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Ron Regehr was the person who confirmed to me personally that his DSP satellites have tracked UFOs.
 
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smartcooky said:
Like all Conspiracy Theorists, you have the burden of proof ass about face.

YOU are the one who is making the claims that UFOs are alien (extra-terrestrial origin) spacecraft, so the burden of proof is on YOU to prove your claim.
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Absolutely, the burden of proof is on me when I state that the UFO are extraterrestrial machines, but let me make myself quite clear that I am not referring to objects that have down-to-earth explanations. In fact, I am on the record for stating that the majority of UFO reports have down-to-earth explanations. The reports that I am interested in are radar/satellite/visual cases that have been verified.

I don't need those cases to know that ET machines exist given the fact that one passed over my base in 1968. Le'ts check out the radar data once again on a UFO that outmaneuvered F-16s sent to intercept the object and you will notice in the data that it is impossible for any aircraft to duplicate the performance levels of the object.

Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude

lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000

01 200 150 7000

02 200 150 7000

03 200 150 7000

04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000

05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000
06 270 560 6000
07 270 570 6000

08 270 560 7000

09 270 550 7000

10 210 560 9000

11 210 570 10000

12 210 560 11000

13 210 570 10000 14 270 770 7000
15 270 770 6000

16 270 780 6000

17 270 790 5000
18 290 1010 4000
19 290 1000 3000

20 290 990 2000

21 290 990 1000

22 300 990 0000

22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock
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smartcooky said:
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Your username? Green Lantern Fan or Doc Smith Fan? (given your stated age group, I'm guessing the latter)
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Actually, it was inspired by the speculative fiction convention that happens in Boston every MLK Jr weekend. Which was named from the EE 'Doc' Smith books, since Boston's other sci-fi/fantasy convention, Boskone, was named from those books many years before. I started attending Arisia in 1991, and I still go every year.
 
Rincewind said:
Ah - not true - I recall years ago we used to have a one hour progress meeting with the boss.

When we came out of this one hour meeting, often as much as two hours had passed in the outside world!

OK - so not actual travel....
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Probably relativistic time dilation. The conference room was traveling at near-light speed. There's a reason they don't have windows.
 
skyeagle409 said:
As a pilot of 48 years...
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Have you ever, in your life, seen something and been mistaken about what it was you saw?

I'm not talking about UFOs here. I'm talking about anything. Have you ever seen someone and thought it was someone you knew, but it turns out it wasn't? Have you ever seen a face in the clouds? Have you ever thought you saw a snake in the grass but it was actually just a stick?
 
arthwollipot said:
Have you ever, in your life, seen something and been mistaken about what it was you saw?

I'm not talking about UFOs here. I'm talking about anything. Have you ever seen someone and thought it was someone you knew, but it turns out it wasn't? Have you ever seen a face in the clouds? Have you ever thought you saw a snake in the grass but it was actually just a stick?
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I think I have related this story here before (can't remember and can't be bothered looking)

A few years ago, I was with a of group of amateur astronomer friends at the local observatory, doing some maintenance on one of the buildings (painting one of the domes IIRC).

It was mid afternoon when suddenly we noticed this quite loud humming noise. All of us looked up at about the same time and all of us saw the same thing....flying overhead was a black, smooth edged object with a shiny part on it that gave it a distinctly prolate spheroidal shape. It appeared to be about the size of a house, at a few hundred feet of altitude, traveling quite fast from east to west and it looked like it was going to fly over a small group of trees at the western end of the Observatory grounds.

The object then landed in one of the trees, about six feet off the ground, and the entire illusion of size and height collapsed in a heartbeat as we suddenly realised what it was.. a swarm of bees.

The thing is, there were several of us and we were all keen and experienced amateur astronomers, good at careful observation and accurately recording what we see. Yet we all thought we saw the same thing; something that was large, dark and shiny, and which made some noise, flying past us a few hundred feet up in the air. There was definitely a short period there, before the swarm landed in the tree, that despite the fact we were level headed skeptical types and non-believers when it came to UFOs, we were looking around with "WTF? No, it can't be" looks on our faces.

Furthermore, and this only just occurred to me recently, but beyond those trees to the west is a gravel road (running N-S) and on the other side, several hundred acres of forest. If that swarm had been flying just a bit higher and made it to the forest, it would have disappeared from sight and there was no way to follow it. We would never have known what it was.
 
I think every person on the planet can tell a similar story.

Except for skyeagle409, of course, whose perception is totally 100% reliable, because he's been a pilot for 48 years.
 
I've seen lots of these anecdotes where something seemed completely inexplicable until a vital piece of information became clear (either immediately or eventually) which explained them. We've had a sighting reported here by someone who had never heard of sky lanterns, and acknowledged that immediately as what he's seen when he saw a picture. Another sighting by someone I knew was obviously a satellite - he'd dismissed that explanation because "satellites don't just go out like a light", but once I'd explained how they do (when they go into the earth's shadow) he also accepted the mundane explanation. Then there was the sighting of an aircraft doing impossible figure-of-eight loops over a distant lake - someone here established that the time and place of the sighting corresponded with fire flies doing their mating dance, so this was almost certainly one of the many cases of something small and near being mistaken for something big and far away.

The problem is always those anecdotes for which no further information is obtainable, so for which no definitive explanation can be offered. A sceptic will default to the assumption that there is a mundane explanation which we simply don't have enough information to deduce, a believer will default to "Aliens!"
 
arthwollipot said:
Have you ever, in your life, seen something and been mistaken about what it was you saw?

I'm not talking about UFOs here. I'm talking about anything. Have you ever seen someone and thought it was someone you knew, but it turns out it wasn't? Have you ever seen a face in the clouds? Have you ever thought you saw a snake in the grass but it was actually just a stick?
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Walter comes out and sits down on the porch, and the girls gather around him. He tells them gently that Miss Freneau is gone. They tell him earnestly that she's not. Anne produces the stick, and he asks, "What's that?" "It's the snake," says Anne. "Well, that's not a snake," he replies. "It LOOKED like a snake," says Anne. She hands it to him, he looks at it, and after a moment, agrees, "That looks like a snake." He goes back inside, and pulls the cover back from Catherine's face. Her eyes open, and she looks at him, quizzically...."Is it morning already?" she asks, and he covers her up again. He goes back to the radio, and calls Frank. Frank has summoned the chaplain to say a few words of comfort. "Never mind," says Walter. "Miss Freneau's alive. It's the snake that's dead.
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One of my favorite scenes from a movie I have always enjoyed.

Yeah. I know it's a sappy movie. I don't care.

(It's got Leslie Caron in it. That's enough reason for anyone.)
 
Tolls said:
Oh for...that's a bug in front of the camera!
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I really struggle to understand he mentality of a person who sees something like that, and their FIRST thought is "whoa... an alien spaceship buzzing a satellite" and not "Oh, a bug/mote of dust moving around in the field of view" which this so obviously is.
 
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