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Chemtrails nonsense

Jodie said:
Fuel burns, what comes out is exhaust that forms smoke just like a car on a cold morning. However, car exhaust doesn't leave streams of smoke. If it does then something is wrong with your vehicle.
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Jet fuel produces two main products when burning. CO2 and H2O. The water comes out at high temperature and saturates the air. Once it cools down it will condense. Unless the air is above 100 degrees, the boiling point of water.
Contrails form if the air cannot dissipate fast enough to disperse the water vapour.
In the same way your kitchen will fog up if you boil water.

Vehicles do this too, if the air is cold enough.

While there will be SOME unburnt fuel in the exhaust, engines tend to be designed to actually use the very expensive fuel to the fullest extent, not dump it out the back.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
Jet fuel produces two main products when burning. CO2 and H2O. The water comes out at high temperature and saturates the air. Once it cools down it will condense. Unless the air is above 100 degrees, the boiling point of water.
Contrails form if the air cannot dissipate fast enough to disperse the water vapour.
In the same way your kitchen will fog up if you boil water.

Vehicles do this too, if the air is cold enough.

While there will be SOME unburnt fuel in the exhaust, engines tend to be designed to actually use the very expensive fuel to the fullest extent, not dump it out the back.
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And there will be some component a aluminium, titanium etc due to wear on the engine components. This is normal. Chemtrailers do not grok this, at all. In chemtrail world engines do not experience wear and tear in normal use, ever.
 
abaddon said:
And there will be some component a aluminium, titanium etc due to wear on the engine components. This is normal. Chemtrailers do not grok this, at all. In chemtrail world engines do not experience wear and tear in normal use, ever.
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Not to mention that adding stable, non-oxidizing chemicals to fuel is ... a bad idea in general. Especially at the amounts needed for the chemtrail conspiracy to be true.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
Jet fuel produces two main products when burning. CO2 and H2O. The water comes out at high temperature and saturates the air. Once it cools down it will condense. Unless the air is above 100 degrees, the boiling point of water.
Contrails form if the air cannot dissipate fast enough to disperse the water vapour.
In the same way your kitchen will fog up if you boil water.

Vehicles do this too, if the air is cold enough.

While there will be SOME unburnt fuel in the exhaust, engines tend to be designed to actually use the very expensive fuel to the fullest extent, not dump it out the back.
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So why aren't there persistent contrails on the tarmac at the airport in winter?
 
Jodie said:
So why aren't there persistent contrails on the tarmac at the airport in winter?
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I believe that is because of the difference in air pressure at 30,000 feet and the temperature at -30c versus the air pressure and temp at an airfield.
 
Hans said:
I believe that is because of the difference in air pressure at 30,000 feet and the temperature at -30c versus the air pressure and temp at an airfield.
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Just saw the other post, thank you. I no longer think there is something wrong with contrails. Now how do I convince my brother that he doesn't have Morgollon's Syndrome?
 
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Jodie said:
So what are chem trails? Commercial air craft don't leave them. I haven't seen fighter jets leave them, what type of air craft leaves chem trails?
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All aircraft. Especially jet air craft. Fighter jets especially. Are you one of those chem-trail conspiracy kooks? Just wondering.
 
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Jodie said:
Just saw the other post, thank you. I know longer think there is something wrong with contrails. Now how do I convince my brother that he doesn't have Morgollon's Syndrome?
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Increase his dose of anti-psychotic meds?
 
John Jones said:
All aircraft. Especially jet air craft. Fighter jets especially. Are you one of those chem-trail conspiracy kooks? Just wondering.
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No, I really don't buy it but my brother is absolutely convinced. I got into an argument with him over this yesterday and it started with his supposed Morgollon's Syndrome. We both have a condition called Schamberg's Disease that can predispose you to T-cell lymphoma and diabetes. He already has diabetes but he's been getting lesions on his head and face the last 2 years and I suggested he get a biopsy done.......well he brushed me off with the Morgollon's and then got hostile when I pointed out that it was more likely the horse than the zebra, so to speak. I just worry about him neglecting himself. He is really weird about his health but then clinches on to this ridiculous Morgollon's Disease. I can't tell you how many times he pulls blue fibers off his skin to show me what's crawling on him......he sleeps with a blue blanket...I don't get it.
 
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Jodie said:
The pic I have are ones that are at a pretty high altitude. I can see those being contrails. However, it's when they are only about 5000 feet above your head on a hot sunny day, and persistent, that it becomes questionable. I don't think you can blame atmospheric conditions for condensation in those cases. I'll start snapping shots of that kind and posting here just for the benefit of the conspiracy theorists.
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How the hell do you know their altitude? Chem-trail crackpots make unsupported altitude claims all the time.

Are you a chem-trail crackpot?
 
Those in my pic look to be about 30,000 feet. I've seen them much lower than that. No, I don't consider myself a to be a chemtrail nut.
 
I remember my brother and I talking about them and he said they shouldn't be there at that altitude.
 
Jodie said:
That is one day, and we had intermittent thunderstorms yesterday so, of course, it's wrong.
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No, all I had to do is demonstrate that this assertion of yours is incorrect.
Jodie said:
T...However, it's when they are only about 5000 feet above your head on a hot sunny day, and persistent, that it becomes questionable. I don't think you can blame atmospheric conditions for condensation in those cases. ...
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The weather data I posted demonstrated that clouds (condensation) can, and does, occur at below 5000 fee on a hot sunny day.

So of course, it is right.
 
Jodie said:
That pic was taken sometime between January and March from the glass bridge that leads from the office to the hospital where I work.
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You avoided answering the question I see.

From this response, certainly c. seems to be the answer, i.e., your BiL picked that the lower contrails were at 5000ft from a photograph.

Utterly improbable. It is difficult to pick elevation of an object in a clear sky in the flesh, and utterly impossible to do from a photograph that has absolutely no other references (in the photograph) to gather information from

Are you then also asserting, that after he picked the altitude of the contrails that he also declared that they are chemtrails? Or are you merely attempting to back up your height assertion based on his "authority"?
 
Jodie said:
Fuel burns, what comes out is exhaust that forms smoke just like a car on a cold morning.
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No, and no.
Contrails, e.g., condensation trails, are not smoke - they are vapour condensation.
The explanation is in the name - otherwise they would be smoke trails.
However, car exhaust doesn't leave streams of smoke. If it does then something is wrong with your vehicle.
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You contradict yourself.
Car (infact any ICE powered vehicle) can and does leave streams of smoke in it's exhaust. This is more visible in diesel and badly tuned petrol cars, but they smoke nonetheless.
 
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