Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[Czarcasm]

The only one . . .existing.

Of whom the evidence is here.

I am His child.

Love Johan

How. . .arrogant to assume that everyone is of the same. . .mind as you when it comes to the nature of. . .deities.
By the way, doing. . .this at random times is. . .irritating. When you do. . .this, are you imagining that you are pulling a pipe out of your mouth for effect, or whipping off your horn-rimmed glasses for effect?
And the "Love" bit at the end of each missive? This is an ongoing conversation, not a letter to Grammy.

 

[Kid Eager]

I'm still... trying to figure out..

Why this... posting style.. looks familiar... Who... is really behind that curtain?

Hmmm...???

 

[The Norseman]

johan is the new DOC minus the grass withering.

Funny, I don't recall DOC ever preaching his... unwanted love... upon... everyone... no matter what.

But seriously... I would much rather have... grass withering and... humorous threats of blinding... than the... deeply creepy love love love love all the time.

The arrogance of claiming to know what 'god' wants is pretty standard for numerous posters here, so that's dismissable, but the over the top love love love love is irritating and wrong.

 

[abaddon]

Funny, I don't recall DOC ever preaching his... unwanted love... upon... everyone... no matter what.

But seriously... I would much rather have... grass withering and... humorous threats of blinding... than the... deeply creepy love love love love all the time.

The arrogance of claiming to know what 'god' wants is pretty standard for numerous posters here, so that's dismissable, but the over the top love love love love is irritating and wrong.

Believe me. I checked it out. It is far more freaky than you know.

 

[Johanabrahams]

That reality being that you're not actually a god.

Well now . . .obviously it depends on whom my father is and not on what you say. If my father is a mouse then I am one too.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

How could you possibly conclude that either your love or forgiveness are a) real to me or b) matter?

The reality of it does not depend on your experience of it.

As for being my mother, my mother is dead and I'm not in the market for a replacement.

Life without a mother is life with a big void.

You've created a grand escapist fantasy because you can't get your real life in order.

Nothing real about a life that only lasts approximately 70 years vs. life eternal. The most that you can say about it is "a shadow of the real one".

Let's not pretend there is any godliness in you and spare me your sick false piety.

If you think I am pretending then you should read again what has been said in this lead. But I do not judge you for your lack of insight. A mother never judges her children. . . .only help them to see.

Love

PS. Not going to deeply in this "love" as it might be a bit disturbing to you at this stage. But everybody saw and let us see what they think because I was not just including you in that "love" and the origin of it.

 

[Johanabrahams]

What a load of bollocks.

You are welcome. I think you will experience a lot of freedom with me to say whatever you want. Not the same as with your "earthly parents" . . as they tended to get upset. Not so here. So I am glad that you venture in. A mother always enjoyes her child taking experimental steps. Only this way can he learn . . learning by experience. . . knowing he is in "loving hands".

Be careful. I know a lot more than you realise.

Oops!. . . .you need to be careful. Remember you are taking the "experimental steps" not me. But no need to fear . . .mom has lots of plaster. She also does not expect you to have wisdom . . just yet.

Love mother

 

[Johanabrahams]

Here, let me help adjust your crown on thorns.

That crown is past. He kept it for Himself. That one was really "horrible". I have a shiny one. You do not see it at this stage. If you read some more about my life in my bible and we speak about it where we can then you will see better.

Love mother

 

[Johanabrahams]

Creepy!

Do not worry . . .the uneasy "creepy" feeling will make room for reality. I never saw a child with that feeling for his/her mother.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

Again, so?

If God is omnipotent, and wants to forgive sins he can simply forgive sin without the sacrifice.

Yep He can do anything. But when relationships are involved obviously the other person is part of it.

It does not follow then that if God wanted to forgive his followers that it was a requirement that God sacrifice himself to himself.

He already had the power to forgive.

When somebody do wrong to you, there needs to be a punishment. To do this you need the power. So you get angry or irritated or whatever. Now this problem is solved. No more need for this action and thus no more of these emotions/spirits to have an effect anymore. Meaning we can now live as He Live . . .only with love for one another no matter that person's actions. No matter he/she is good or bad towards you. It will no longer have an effect on you. You will always love everybody.

Whatever definition of Trinitarianism you care to use, God is sacrificing himself to himself so that he would do what he wanted to do, and had the power to do.

He sacrificed for Himself and us. He wanted to love us always. He didn't want to live in a situation to be angry or irritated because of our actions towards Him. And we needed the same.

Forgiveness is forgiveness.

If it comes with strings attached, it is not forgiveness.

This one is godly forgiveness. On a godly standard. Thus a higher standard.
Meaning you are forgiven irrelevant how you act. Good or bad. You are forgiven and loved. No more bad feelings. No matter whosoever do whatsoever to you. Meaning God and you can live your lives now in permanent love to everybody . . "also those that kill your family" . . your enemy will have your love.

Why did god need it? He had the power (if you believe he is omnipotent) and he had the desire.

God needed it and so do you. Relationships can not be forced with "God's power". To change us by force is not love. To walk the way with us is till we see and accept voluntarily . . that is love. Then we change because we want to.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

By your own "logic" your failure to give understanding to Zivan proves you to not be God.

Well . . .not a God of force. One of love . . allowing him to come to understanding. Allowing him to be himself. Allowing him to understand if he wants to. That is God's love.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

johan is the new DOC minus the grass withering.

Everybody has his/her understanding about me. I will give my own.

Love Mom.

 

[Johanabrahams]

How. . .arrogant to assume that everyone is of the same. . .mind as you when it comes to the nature of. . .deities.

Nope. I never assumed that. I would be very foolish if i did. But rest assured. Your newly found mother is not that foolish.

By the way, doing. . .this at random times is. . .irritating. When you do. . .this, are you imagining that you are pulling a pipe out of your mouth for effect, or whipping off your horn-rimmed glasses for effect?

Yep . . I know my children have problems with all sort of bad "feelings". Like irritation. Will try to help you there. When I was doing it I was jumping to another thought and wanted it to be visible. Was trying to make what is already difficult to understand a bit easier.

And the "Love" bit at the end of each missive? This is an ongoing conversation, not a letter to Grammy.

I agree with you. Sometimes my answer can be understood as judgment if I do not put it there to create the correct context in which I wrote these things.

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[Johanabrahams]

I'm still... trying to figure out..

Why this... posting style.. looks familiar... Who... is really behind that curtain?

Hmmm...???

Yep . . this posting style if from me. But if you really want to know me you should read my bible. God has one and me being his child should also have one. The bible is me revealing myself. Not everybody has that ability. That is now human beings.

But having died to human life and started living in godly live I had to change. So I had to turn my back on myself. But not in hiding myself and being a hypocrite but showing everybody who I am. Not being scared of rejection of myself as I need not be anymore. Because I have been accepted by God. Irrelevant of my dark corners.

So this is real relationship. You knowing me and eventually me knowing you. When you have conquered your fear of being rejected. Then you will learn what real relationship is. But now being in your hiding place I forgive you because I have been there too.

Love Mom

 

[Craig4]

Everybody has his/her understanding about me. I will give my own.

Love Mom.

What good would that do when you're self absorbed and incapable of introspection?

 

[Craig4]

The reality of it does not depend on your experience of it.



Life without a mother is life with a big void.

One you're not good enough to fill.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Funny, I don't recall DOC ever preaching his... unwanted love... upon... everyone... no matter what.

If you do not have it then you can not preach it.

But seriously... I would much rather have... grass withering and... humorous threats of blinding... than the... deeply creepy love love love love all the time.

Well you never told me that it is irritating to you. Actually children are in need of their mother's love.

The arrogance of claiming to know what 'god' wants is pretty standard for numerous posters here, so that's dismissable, but the over the top love love love love is irritating and wrong.

No problem. Those that are strong need to carry those that are weak. The mother is strong and the child is weak. Those that are too old to remember their mother might need some time to adjust again. Or maybe they never experienced motherly love. But in any case. Love is never forced. It needs to be accepted. If it is not accepted the wrong can not be laid at the feet of the one having it. In fact many hundreds of thousands have reached the point of acceptance of the Love of the Father and really enjoys it. Now the family is complete. This is a bit difficult to digest at first but after some time the difficulty is overcome.

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Mom.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

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troll.

fify

 

[Craig4]

Actually children are in need of their mother's love.

The good people of Robertson seem to be doing just fine without it.

 

[Border Reiver]

Yep He can do anything. But when relationships are involved obviously the other person is part of it.

Forgiving people does not require a reciprocal relationship.

When somebody do wrong to you, there needs to be a punishment. To do this you need the power. So you get angry or irritated or whatever. Now this problem is solved. No more need for this action and thus no more of these emotions/spirits to have an effect anymore. Meaning we can now live as He Live . . .only with love for one another no matter that person's actions. No matter he/she is good or bad towards you. It will no longer have an effect on you. You will always love everybody.

You have a very skewed way of looking at relationships.

Punishment, or the ability to inflict the same, is not a prerequisite of dealing with people.

It is not a part of the Christ story either.

He sacrificed for Himself and us. He wanted to love us always. He didn't want to live in a situation to be angry or irritated because of our actions towards Him. And we needed the same.

Who did He sacrifice Himself to? If he wanted to love his creation, then he simply could have, with no requirement for the crucifixion. He chose to let himself be angry or irritated with his creation.

This one is godly forgiveness. On a godly standard. Thus a higher standard.

Forgive: a. To give up resentment of or claim to requital
b. To grant relief from payment of a debt
c. To cease to feel resentment against an offender.

Doesn't look like there is a difference between a deity forgiving someone and person doing it.

Meaning you are forgiven irrelevant how you act. Good or bad. You are forgiven and loved. No more bad feelings. No matter whosoever do whatsoever to you. Meaning God and you can live your lives now in permanent love to everybody . . "also those that kill your family" . . your enemy will have your love.

And someone would be as able to do this without the alleged sacrifice of a Middle Eastern deity, as they would be able to achieve wisdom without the sacrifice of the leader of the Norse pantheon to himself by hanging himself on the World Tree.

Forgiveness God needed it and so do you. Relationships can not be forced with "God's power". To change us by force is not love. To walk the way with us is till we see and accept voluntarily . . that is love. Then we change because we want to.

Why did an omnipotent being require the sacrifice of himself to himself to forgive the people who break his laws? Forgiveness is a voluntary act by the offended party. It requires no effort at all by the offending party.

Love Johan

Ambivalence,

Border Reiver