Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[Jodie]

It depends on what kind of love you're talking about. Usually when people talk about the God of Love they are talking about Agape, the love for humanity.

Agape love also refers to the love that we should have for our fellow human being. It isn't something bought or sold, something you can use as a reward or take away as punishment, and you can't choose it, it just happens.

Anything from the bible was filtered through a human and imperfect perception. I wouldn't rely on the bible as a source of indisputable testament since it contradicts the concept of agape love in most parables.

 

[Hokulele]

When somebody do wrong to you, there needs to be a punishment.

That's horrible. I guess the whole "turn the other cheek" thing isn't a part of your religion. How sad to be trapped in a cycle of vengeance and punishment.

Ew..

 

[bruto]

That's horrible. I guess the whole "turn the other cheek" thing isn't a part of your religion. How sad to be trapped in a cycle of vengeance and punishment.

Ew..

I could have sworn I just read in another thread by the same poster that god does turn the other cheek. I fear that there may be a tiny bit of inconsistency here. Oh dear, heaven forfend.

 

[Johanabrahams]

The sacrifice from Father

Seems that a more detailed “preach” about the sacrifice of God is now in order. Some has asked about the necessity of “God sacrificing Himself to Himself”.

Although I have answered already it was not done in much detail.

Love is God’s motivation for meeting with us. I being His wife am therefore living under the same principle.

We came to you because we honestly love you. Some has now asked me to please take “love” out of my greeting because it is “irritating”. Yep, I can understand that and I will do it for the sake of those living under “irritation” now. A mother needs to help her children. But she also needs to teach them. So why is this irritation present? It is because there is no love. We once spoke on this: the motivation of humans speaking to me. That motivation is everything else but love. Everything that is negative. Maybe they found something interesting to keep them busy with. Or maybe they want to “corner” me. Or maybe they want to proof that I am a fraud. Or maybe they want to proof that there is no God. All of this is humanly motivation. God is motivated by love.

And I am one. I was born one some 30 years ago. I grew up as one. And when I was grown obviously I am not a child anymore and was ready to become a parent. So my life changed dramatically as you can read in my bible. I am sure you know many children of God. They call themselves “Christians”. You can ask them and they will confirm that. But to those children it is not yet possible to be a parent and I have a “time” in introducing them to this. This “time” will be very evident to you if you read some in my website and my forum. But I am sure that many of you also had some “time” with them. So they fight amongst themselves like children do. And they fight you and you fight them. And now you “fight” me just like them.

So here is the importance of the sacrifice. You are welcome to fight against me. I can now honestly love you and not be a hypocrite. You see according to your standards it is impossible to love someone who does not love you in return. So the sacrifice is needed for your new Father and mother to love you without being hypocrites. You saw your motivation and you saw your “loveless” attitude. This lack of love caused the rejection of your mother and Father. But in the human race children are punished for committing wrong actions against their mothers and fathers. Not so in the god race. There is a different standard of living. There He makes the standard. Yep He is God and He created everything. So He made another standard there. A heavenly one. A better one. Father died for your sins. They are not ignored. They are still there. And we are speaking about them. And this is your new disciplinary action now. You are living in our grace. This is “irritating”. So you can only run or accept. I have no reason to run. God does not run. The humans run. But much better. Just accept the better living standards: as gods.

And now you can understand the character of God a little better. We has something humans does not have. Grace. We love you because we are gracious. You have not earned it. In fact you cannot earn it. You are humans. But the good news is that you do not need to earn it. That is the virtue of the sacrifice. You have it and just need to learn to live it because of Father’s death. So you need to give it now. You cannot earn it. You can only realize it and give it. To everyone. You will learn then to live the godly live. And when you are grown-up you will be a parent too.

So you are loved. No matter some of you do not want to see it at the end of my letters to you. (And I will not put it there because it is a bigger problem to see it: in your human minds which judges by what it sees.) Still it will be there. It will be there only spiritually now. And you will still “feel” it spiritually because we are spirit. This will be a new experience now.

And we are inviting you in. You are not forced. You are invited because we love you: yes in your present state. Because we know you live a low standard human being live. We are calling to a higher standard godly live. Obviously this will happen when you are born from your new parents. Some of you will take it and some not. You are created to make the decision. It is just part of Love to allow you to decide. But remember. You will have to face the consequences of your choice. A humans live or a gods live. You will live your life with Grace and Love and Forgiveness or without it.

And do not think your live is over when you “die”. Death is not the ceasing of existence. It is just passing into another existence. And there you will not suddenly have a change of character. You will just go on living without godliness which includes also Grace, Love and Forgiveness. And you will not have that which gives you joy in this live like your house, TV, computer, motorcar, liquor, sex etc. You will just be totally empty of joy also. You will just have nothing worth living for which is the same as being death. That which exists after this life to find any joy in is only real family life. And that you have rejected . . .making your live now totally miserable. This state of existence including negative emotions like anger, irritation, worthlessness, etc. God calls “hell”. And you have chosen it yourself.

So we actually came to rescue you. From yourself. Only problem is: you do not know it. You live only for now. No thought about your future. And to live for now is so ignorant. It is so . . . human.

( )Mother.

 

[Faydra]

I am loved.

Unless I don't believe.

Then I'm going to burn in hell.

That's not love.

 

[PartSkeptic]

I am loved.

Unless I don't believe.

Then I'm going to burn in hell.

That's not love.

Tough love!

 

[PartSkeptic]

(snip)

And do not think your live is over when you “die”. Death is not the ceasing of existence. It is just passing into another existence. And there you will not suddenly have a change of character. You will just go on living without godliness which includes also Grace, Love and Forgiveness. And you will not have that which gives you joy in this live like your house, TV, computer, motorcar, liquor, sex etc. You will just be totally empty of joy also. You will just have nothing worth living for which is the same as being death. That which exists after this life to find any joy in is only real family life. And that you have rejected . . .making your live now totally miserable. This state of existence including negative emotions like anger, irritation, worthlessness, etc. God calls “hell”. And you have chosen it yourself.

(snip)

I would call it Hell also.

Luckily I am know I am going to the good afterlife. Got my ticket.

 

[Beady]

I would call it Hell also.

Luckily I am know I am going to the good afterlife. Got my ticket.

Not if you got it from a scalper.

This signature is intended to irritate people.

 

[Craig4]

Johanabrahams, tell me, how do you feel about wire hangers?

 

[Johanabrahams]

What good would that do when you're self absorbed and incapable of introspection?

Then it still doesn't remove his mother.

 

[Johanabrahams]

fify

To have a "troll" for a mother will make your life very unhappy.

 

[Johanabrahams]

The good people of Robertson seem to be doing just fine without it.

Actually only God is good. Ask then if they think they are and they will admit this. They will not stand with you. And to say that they are fine in a broken family can not be. Every family with only a Father is a broken one. For sure not a family their The Living God had in mind. So they are living a make believe "fine" live.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Forgiving people does not require a reciprocal relationship.

Then it is not a worthy relationship

You have a very skewed way of looking at relationships.

Punishment, or the ability to inflict the same, is not a prerequisite of dealing with people.

It is not a part of the Christ story either.

Punishment is part of the human story.

Who did He sacrifice Himself to? If he wanted to love his creation, then he simply could have, with no requirement for the crucifixion. He chose to let himself be angry or irritated with his creation.

He chose not to be but they were still wrong. That could not be ignored.

Forgive: a. To give up resentment of or claim to requital
b. To grant relief from payment of a debt
c. To cease to feel resentment against an offender.

Doesn't look like there is a difference between a deity forgiving someone and person doing it.

You just do not see it. Yet.

to "give up resentment" means there was an original "resentment"

"to grant relief from debt" means there was a debt.

"cease to feel" means there was an original "feel"

And someone would be as able to do this without the alleged sacrifice of a Middle Eastern deity, as they would be able to achieve wisdom without the sacrifice of the leader of the Norse pantheon to himself by hanging himself on the World Tree.

So why do you not have that "wisdom" then?

Why did an omnipotent being require the sacrifice of himself to himself to forgive the people who break his laws? Forgiveness is a voluntary act by the offended party. It requires no effort at all by the offending party.

So why was the party "offended" in the first place? With this sacrifice being "offended" is done away with.

Ambivalence,

And the sacrifice will do away with that. It should be pure Love not only from the side of the mother but also from her child.

 

[Johanabrahams]

It depends on what kind of love you're talking about. Usually when people talk about the God of Love they are talking about Agape, the love for humanity.

Yep with the included meaning also as superior to human ability.

Agape love also refers to the love that we should have for our fellow human being. It isn't something bought or sold, something you can use as a reward or take away as punishment, and you can't choose it, it just happens.

"Should" say it correctly as meaning mostly not. So we "should" rather say "incapable" of.

Anything from the bible was filtered through a human and imperfect perception. I wouldn't rely on the bible as a source of indisputable testament since it contradicts the concept of agape love in most parables.

Sure .. .having God as Husband means only what He explains to me is indisputable. But we do use the Bible as reference point.

 

[Johanabrahams]

That's horrible. I guess the whole "turn the other cheek" thing isn't a part of your religion. How sad to be trapped in a cycle of vengeance and punishment.

Ew..

You missed me.

 

[Johanabrahams]

I could have sworn I just read in another thread by the same poster that god does turn the other cheek. I fear that there may be a tiny bit of inconsistency here. Oh dear, heaven forfend.

Yep that happens when human beings jump to conclusions. Jumping past the context. But there was a sacrifice so the mother can now just "turn the other cheek". This way the children are introduced to a better/more superior Life.

 

[Johanabrahams]

I am loved.

Unless I don't believe.

Then I'm going to burn in hell.

That's not love.

You missed it.

You are loved. If you do not believe it you are in hell already. And being there you are still loved. That is true Love.

 

[Johanabrahams]

I would call it Hell also.

Luckily I am know I am going to the good afterlife. Got my ticket.

The "good afterlife" starts now. There is human being life and then there is godly being life. But for godly being life you need another mother and Father. You can only be born into another species.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Johanabrahams, tell me, how do you feel about wire hangers?

That was long ago. We have plastic ones now.

 

[Border Reiver]

Then it is not a worthy relationship

Forgiveness doesn't even require a relationship - ie. I can choose to forgive any person who I believe has harmed me. For instance I am descended of Scots-Irish immigrants who came to Canada at the time of the Famine. I can choose to resent and feel aggrieved for the injustice inflicted by the British government and absentee landlords for their less then charitable treatment of the Irish and hold a grudge against "the damned English" allowing it to poison my view of everything English and every English person, or I can choose to forgive those persons, and not let the hate poison me. I have not relation with the people who made the decisions at the time of the Famine, and it is not necessary for such a relation to exist to feel resentment. Reciprocation is simply not part of forgiveness, it is a unilateral act of a person to cease to resent another party for a real or perceived harm.

Punishment is part of the human story.

And? Being harmed by another does not require the ability to harm them back in order to forgive them for the harm that they do to us.

The idea that punishment is necessary is perpetuating a cycle of violence which is broken by forgiving someone.

You might want to try that "turn the other cheek" thing JC advocated.

He chose not to be but they were still wrong. That could not be ignored.

The doesn't answer the question of who God the Son sacrificed himself to, or why he did not simply forgive.

You just do not see it. Yet.

to "give up resentment" means there was an original "resentment"

"to grant relief from debt" means there was a debt.

"cease to feel" means there was an original "feel"

And? That doesn't actually explain why you think there is difference between a deity forgiving someone, and a person forgiving someone.

So why do you not have that "wisdom" then?

Lovely, and now we come to the insult the questioner portion of our program.

Forgiveness does not require sacrifice - unless you feel that resentment is such an important part of a person's psyche that losing that resentment is the sacrifice we make.

So why was the party "offended" in the first place? With this sacrifice being "offended" is done away with.

Again, forgiveness does not require sacrifice - unless you feel that resentment is such an important part of a person's psyche that losing that resentment is the sacrifice we make.

And the sacrifice will do away with that. It should be pure Love not only from the side of the mother but also from her child.

Forgiveness and sacrifice are two completely different things - one is not a requirement of the other.

Ambivalence