Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[Craig4]

You mean, except the "shape, date, and location"...?

*yawn*

None of which counts as evidence.

 

[King of the Americas]

None of which counts as evidence.

What about local quarries of red and black stone, core samples of sunken ruins to match?

I have featured a location of at least one underwater arch, sunken off the coast of spain, along with other ruins.

What exactly are you basing your dismissal upon?

Maybe you could produce an alternative theory for the origin of the symbol?

This one is well founded.

 

[Kid Eager]

What about local quarries of red and black stone, core samples of sunken ruins to match?

I have featured a location of at least one underwater arch, sunken off the coast of spain, along with other ruins.

What exactly are you basing your dismissal upon?

Maybe you could produce an alternative theory for the origin of the symbol?

This one is well founded.

Hogwarts must be a real location, because JK Rowling described it in such detail. Why would an author go into so much detail if it wasn't real?

 

[King of the Americas]

Hogwarts must be a real location, because JK Rowling described it in such detail. Why would an author go into so much detail if it wasn't real?

JK Rowling wrote fiction, and never admitted otherwise.

Plato included Athens alongside Atlantis.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

You mean, except the "shape, date, and location"...?

*yawn*

None of those prove any kind of link between Atlantis and a menorah.
I would elaborate, if I did not know that you would latch onto something tangential I'd say, respond to that, and ignore any of the points I'm making.
Instead, you can explain:
How do the date, location and shape prove your story?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

JK Rowling wrote fiction, and never admitted otherwise.





Plato included Athens alongside Atlantis.

And the train to Hogwarts sets off from London. What's your evidence that Plato didn't tell everyone who asked that Atlantis was fictional?

 

[Craig4]

What about local quarries of red and black stone, core samples of sunken ruins to match?

I have featured a location of at least one underwater arch, sunken off the coast of spain, along with other ruins.

What exactly are you basing your dismissal upon?

Maybe you could produce an alternative theory for the origin of the symbol?

This one is well founded.

How about an artifact with the name of the city on it?

 

[Kid Eager]

What about local quarries of red and black stone, core samples of sunken ruins to match?

I have featured a location of at least one underwater arch, sunken off the coast of spain, along with other ruins.

What exactly are you basing your dismissal upon?

Maybe you could produce an alternative theory for the origin of the symbol?

This one is well founded.

Might be significant if black and red stone was rare or unusual, even if it were a clue... Red granite is common around The Mediterranean...

 

[King of the Americas]

None of those prove any kind of link between Atlantis and a menorah.
I would elaborate, if I did not know that you would latch onto something tangential I'd say, respond to that, and ignore any of the points I'm making.
Instead, you can explain:
How do the date, location and shape prove your story?

According to you...

So, please tell us, what kind of archaeological experience you have, and what qualifications or training you have received that provides the background for your dismissal of the evidences provided herein?

 

[King of the Americas]

Might be significant if black and red stone was rare or unusual, even if it were a clue... Red granite is common around The Mediterranean...

Yes, but Plato said the city was adorned with these stones.

If the location, description, and dates all match...

No one has answered yet, maybe you can take a crack at it.

What evidence was used to make Atlantis fictional? Athens is real. What purpose is served by describing a fiction? What lesson was he teaching by including the red and black in the description?

 

[King of the Americas]

And the train to Hogwarts sets off from London. What's your evidence that Plato didn't tell everyone who asked that Atlantis was fictional?

You want me to provide negative evidence?

Tricky endeavor.

 

[King of the Americas]

How about an artifact with the name of the city on it?

Really?

 

[Porpoise of Life]

According to you...

So, please tell us, what kind of archaeological experience you have, and what qualifications or training you have received that provides the background for your dismissal of the evidences provided herein?

So, instead of explaining why the shape, date and location of the symbol prove your point, as you claimed... You are going for the ad-hom?
Boring, but predicted.

 

[King of the Americas]

How would a people who had no written language or "names" emblazoned on things do so? What if everything was 'remembered' within oral tradition?

Many of the American indigenous plaines peoples had no paper, and the things they used quite biodegradable.

There are people and evidence of their existence who and which have come and gone.

We have the tale of a city, its description, location, and date of existence...a "well-known teacher's exposé"-Plato on its end. Modern archaeological findings are matching up.

Exactly what evidence are you employing to say "NO, that's fiction."?

 

[Belz...]

What about local quarries of red and black stone, core samples of sunken ruins to match?

What about them?

 

[Belz...]

You want me to provide negative evidence?

Tricky endeavor.

You're making the positive claim that Plato thought Atlantis was historical -- WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Do you deny that the dialogues Plato wrote were fictional?

 

[King of the Americas]

So, instead of explaining why the shape, date and location of the symbol prove your point, as you claimed... You are going for the ad-hom?
Boring, but predicted.

I have posted a response to this. Look at the links, quotes, and biblical references provided, or not. I am not going to continue to repeat myself for another 10 pages...

Ad-hom?

If you are an expert, say so. Let's hear some letters? Mine are useless in this exchange. My B.S. is in Criminal Justice and Legal Studies, and my current M.A. efforts are in Political Science.

I couldn't tell the difference between an actual artifact from a corner store knock off, but I understand rules of evidence.

There has been copious amounts of evidence stacked into this thread that:

-the menorah was adopted, misunderstood, and re-interpreted
-powerful, popular symbols are often adopted without provenance
-sunken ruins where Plato said to find them, exist, as he described them...sorta
-the oldest menorah symbols look like half of 3 (or more) concentric circles atop a trident
-Plato was a "teacher" who wrote to inform, not mislead or misinform.

 

[Belz...]

Ad-hom?

If you are an expert, say so. Let's hear some letters? Mine are useless in this exchange. My B.S. is in Criminal Justice and Legal Studies, and my current M.A. efforts are in Political Science.

Yes, that's a good example of an ad-hom. Arguments and evidence stand on their own.

There has been copious amounts of evidence stacked into this thread that:

-the menorah was adopted, misunderstood, and re-interpreted
-powerful, popular symbols are often adopted without provenance
-sunken ruins where Plato said to find them, exist, as he described them...sorta
-the oldest menorah symbols look like half of 3 (or more) concentric circles atop a trident
-Plato was a "teacher" who wrote to inform, not mislead or misinform.

You are confusing claims and evidence. It makes this claim:

I understand rules of evidence.

...very doubtful.

 

[King of the Americas]

You're making the positive claim that Plato thought Atlantis was historical -- WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Do you deny that the dialogues Plato wrote were fictional?

"Athens" is my evidence.

Also, the underwater evidence located in a form and location Plato described.

Have you used google earth on the Spanish coast yet???

It is flipping AWESOME!

 

[Belz...]

"Athens" is my evidence.

No it isn't. Because if it was, "London" would be evidence for Hogwarts. You yourself have added more elements to your reasoning in order to avoid the appearance of being wrong, namely that Plato didn't write fiction, which is patently false. The dialogues in his works are entirely fictional, and there is no evidence of Plato ever discussing Atlantis in a historical fashion, or even at all outside of these works.

You are making a claim with zero evidence.

Also, the underwater evidence located in a form and location Plato described.

Plato said Atlantis was on a giant island in the Atlantis, where such an island cannot physically disappear. How do you explain that?

Have you used google earth on the Spanish coast yet???

Do you really believe that Google Earth proves anything? You have no idea how to conduct such an investigation. You have nothing.