The Valley of the Wood Apes

[Jodie]

The closest I got to Area X was in July of 2014 when I was driving back to South Carolina from New Mexico. I drove all over the logging roads in that general area. I didn't see anything that indicated that anyone was out there on a regular basis. All I saw was a bunch of rough dirt roads and some trees. Now if they have to hike back to the cabin because there is no road access then it seems to me like I would have seen a vehicle of some kind parked somewhere on those roads but I didn't. I don't consider that proof of anything other than me not being able to find the trail they used to get to the cabin.

 

[captain koolaid]

I think Area X and Nawac exists. But, I also think it is all run... by Bigfoot. The Nawacers are simply puppets of the wood apes, who have mind powers. It's the sort of thing Bigfoot would do. How else can you you explain not a single Bigfoot being snuffed by the Nawacers? You can't. All those years, all those wood apes and not a single body? NAWAC is Bigfoot.

Think about it.

 

[Drewbot]

There have been a lot more than 5 people out there, including Monica Rawlins. I don't think she saw a Bigfoot there. Do you think they are publishing accounts of the people who didn't see anything.

Most of what Monica reports are things like this:
From http://bitly.com/Ouachita_Project_PDF_ver1•1 Pages 87-88

03:45 – While Rawlins removed her cot and sleeping bag from the tent, more rocks struck the south cabin. Rawlins heard a distant peculiar deep vocalization, almost like an abbreviated pant-hoot, but shorter and more subdued, in a breathy or almost whispered tone: "who, ha ha!" from the northwest slope. (Adapted from Operation Relentless Foxtrot team after-action report from June 6, 2013, unpublished.)

I wonder if her next sentence was, 'it sounded like a Barred Owl' and they just left it out.

 

[Cervelo]

The closest I got to Area X was in July of 2014 when I was driving back to South Carolina from New Mexico. I drove all over the logging roads in that general area. I didn't see anything that indicated that anyone was out there on a regular basis. All I saw was a bunch of rough dirt roads and some trees. Now if they have to hike back to the cabin because there is no road access then it seems to me like I would have seen a vehicle of some kind parked somewhere on those roads but I didn't. I don't consider that proof of anything other than me not being able to find the trail they used to get to the cabin.

Wow......you drove "all over" the general area, the 1.8 million acres of the Qutachia NF how long did that take?
While you were covering all this ground you saw no indication of regular use on a NF that is still being actively managed?
So you've done so much research on this "fantasy" that you had actually honed in on the cabin location?
Why haven't you brought this info up until now?
What part of the NF did you see these "rough roads", of course I didn't cover as much ground as you did but every trail I was on a car could easily navigate. When you were driving "all over the logging roads" that were so rough, what kind of vehicle did you use?




Jodie you most definitely need to start a thread on this trip of yours, just the fact that you couldn't locate the trail to the cabin is astounding news, it directly contradicts everything reported up to this point!

 

[Drewbot]

The closest I got to Area X was in July of 2014 when I was driving back to South Carolina from New Mexico. I drove all over the logging roads in that general area. I didn't see anything that indicated that anyone was out there on a regular basis. All I saw was a bunch of rough dirt roads and some trees. Now if they have to hike back to the cabin because there is no road access then it seems to me like I would have seen a vehicle of some kind parked somewhere on those roads but I didn't. I don't consider that proof of anything other than me not being able to find the trail they used to get to the cabin.

Oh dear heavens...

We know they park by the cabins, because some of the AFTER ACTION REPORTS talk of seeing the beast by the cars and things, if I remember correctly.

 

[Cervelo]

Oh dear heavens...

We know they park by the cabins, because some of the AFTER ACTION REPORTS talk of seeing the beast by the cars and things, if I remember correctly.

You do....they claim to drive the nearly impassable roads to the remote cabin site. These are hunting cabins rented out during hunting season and the NAWACKIES use them during spring/summer.
But this is most likely nothing but this (see below) on Jodies part, it's an argument tactic employed and often accompanied by personal attacks that end up in AAH.



Gotta remember how this all started, the suggestion that Sharon Hills bizzare defense of the "Monkey Man Monologue" could indicate she could have written it or assisted in the writing. Which she has never publicly denied to my knowledge.

But it's fun to watch play out and the more people talk.....their postion ends up kinda like this guy, they might feel compelled to just just start slinging stuff to see what sticks.

 

[Jodie]

Wow......you drove "all over" the general area, the 1.8 million acres of the Qutachia NF how long did that take?
While you were covering all this ground you saw no indication of regular use on a NF that is still being actively managed?
So you've done so much research on this "fantasy" that you had actually honed in on the cabin location?
Why haven't you brought this info up until now?
What part of the NF did you see these "rough roads", of course I didn't cover as much ground as you did but every trail I was on a car could easily navigate. When you were driving "all over the logging roads" that were so rough, what kind of vehicle did you use?

I was visiting my son in Albuquerque. I took 3 days to drive back to SC so it would have been around July 8-10th, 2014, I don't remember the exact day when I was out there.

I drove where I thought it was, I spent about 4 hours there, and then left when it started getting dark. The roads I took were dirt, rocky, pitted, and narrow. I came across some that were closed off but didn't stop to get out of the jeep to look further.

What I was looking for was based on my assumptions; if they are really trying to bag a bigfoot then there has to be a vehicle parked where they have to walk in to the area simply because they'll need a way to remove the body and themselves if they get into any trouble. If the vehicle, or vehicles, have been out there for more than a few days it's going to be covered with thick dust or pollen. I was hoping to get the tag numbers so you guys could trace the owners to see if they matched anyone that was mentioned by NAWAC or listed as a member if that's even public.

I never saw anything parked anywhere, the roads I took wouldn't really allow for it without the vehicle blocking the way. The only thing my trip proves is that I couldn't find the area. Anyway, that's why I don't think it's real, either I wasn't in the right place or there isn't a continuous presence out there in the summer like they are claiming. I didn't mention it because I didn't find anything. I felt kind of stupid for even taking the time to try and look for them.

Jodie you most definitely need to start a thread on this trip of yours, just the fact that you couldn't locate the trail to the cabin is astounding news, it directly contradicts everything reported up to this point!

It will be a short thread, I might not have been in the right place.

 

[Jodie]

Oh dear heavens...

We know they park by the cabins, because some of the AFTER ACTION REPORTS talk of seeing the beast by the cars and things, if I remember correctly.

I remember BB saying that they have to walk in to the cabin on the BFF. I don't have access to the BFF anymore so I can't check to see if I'm remembering this right.

 

[Resume]

Jodie brings up a point, inadvertent or not: How much BLAARGing is necessary to generate belief or $$$? Bigfoot is silly hypothesis, the delusion to allow belief self-generated. It has to be, in order to explain the claims of footie in Cook County forest preserves or candy-tossing woods monkeys. If you believe these things, the NAWAC must look like the most organized footie researchers ever. It seems to have fooled a high-profile skeptic.

All you need is a slightly better than average website with pictures of trees, team members in camo looking at trees, a few unverifiable anecdotes, and a monograph that contains a larger number of unverifiable anecdotes. Oh, and a 501c3 designation. You don't really need to spend any time in the field, but I suspect they do because drinking beer and sitting around the fire farting is a good time. As is shooting **** with a Henry 45/70 paid for by delusional donors.

 

[William Parcher]

I was hoping to get the tag numbers so you guys could trace the owners to see if they matched anyone that was mentioned by NAWAC or listed as a member if that's even public.

I don't think that a civilian can legally do such a thing.

Your claims of surveying the region are really preposterous. It reminds me of your claim to have seen Abraham Lincoln speaking to the public in one of your past lives. You are a constant source of extraordinary claims.

It's as if you are a singularly fantastic presence on the planet. I'm skeptical of virtually everything that you say. You talk about yourself all the time here, so the arguments are drawn onto you rather than the object of your claims. It tests the forum guideline of "attack the argument, not the arguer" because you force the argument to be about you based on personal anecdotal experience.

 

[Cervelo]

I was visiting my son in Albuquerque. I took 3 days to drive back to SC so it would have been around July 8-10th, 2014, I don't remember the exact day when I was out there.

I drove where I thought it was, I spent about 4 hours there, and then left when it started getting dark. The roads I took were dirt, rocky, pitted, and narrow. I came across some that were closed off but didn't stop to get out of the jeep to look further.

What I was looking for was based on my assumptions; if they are really trying to bag a bigfoot then there has to be a vehicle parked where they have to walk in to the area simply because they'll need a way to remove the body and themselves if they get into any trouble. If the vehicle, or vehicles, have been out there for more than a few days it's going to be covered with thick dust or pollen. I was hoping to get the tag numbers so you guys could trace the owners to see if they matched anyone that was mentioned by NAWAC or listed as a member if that's even public.

I never saw anything parked anywhere, the roads I took wouldn't really allow for it without the vehicle blocking the way. The only thing my trip proves is that I couldn't find the area. Anyway, that's why I don't think it's real, either I wasn't in the right place or there isn't a continuous presence out there in the summer like they are claiming. I didn't mention it because I didn't find anything. I felt kind of stupid for even taking the time to try and look for them.



It will be a short thread, I might not have been in the right place.

Wow.....so you only spent 4hrs there, that seems a little contradictory based on your original statements...but ok.
So with only 4hrs you must have really narrowed down the fantasy location, where was that on the 1.8 million acres?
So did you not believe it was all a fabrication at the time?

 

[Cervelo]

I remember BB saying that they have to walk in to the cabin on the BFF. I don't have access to the BFF anymore so I can't check to see if I'm remembering this right.

For someone who had narrowed down a target site on a 1.8 million acre National Forest to seek out the location of the non-existent fantasy world of the NAWACKIES.....you seem woefully unaware/or in error of the most common statements they have made on BFF, numerous pod cast and on the NAWACKIES website.
It's an astounding mistake to make when one considers how long you've been involved in this subject.
Is it normal for you to be so vested and active in a subject but so ignorant of some of the most basic and readily available information?

 

[Jodie]

Wow.....so you only spent 4hrs there, that seems a little contradictory based on your original statements...but ok.
So with only 4hrs you must have really narrowed down the fantasy location, where was that on the 1.8 million acres?
So did you not believe it was all a fabrication at the time?

I was looking in the area where the cabin is supposed to be, it's not 1.8 million acres. I don't think it occurred to me until I drove through there that the whole thing might be a lie, but when I didn't find any vehicles where they ought to be then I did wonder about it; either the whole thing is a lie or the pics they post are deliberately misleading and the area is in a completely different location. Then I thought about the money involved in an ongoing operation like they describe, the tax status, and decided it was most likely all a lie.

 

[William Parcher]

I didn't find any vehicles where they ought to be

What about the idea that there weren't any Bigfooters there at the specific time that you visited?

 

[Jodie]

For someone who had narrowed down a target site on a 1.8 million acre National Forest to seek out the location of the non-existent fantasy world of the NAWACKIES.....you seem woefully unaware/or in error of the most common statements they have made on BFF, numerous pod cast and on the NAWACKIES website.
It's an astounding mistake to make when one considers how long you've been involved in this subject.
Is it normal for you to be so vested and active in a subject but so ignorant of some of the most basic and readily available information?

I haven't been to the BFF in 5-6 years. What I'm recalling is what BB posted right before I was banned. I have never listened to BB's podcasts, and I hadn't looked at the NAWAC website in over two years until a day or two ago when we were talking about photos.

When I happened to be driving through the area, I looked near, or as close as I could get, to the general area that ABP, the Shrike, and a few others have said that Area X might be located. It wasn't planned, it was a " Well, while I'm here, I might as well look" kind of thing. I think you over estimate my involvement in this topic.

 

[Cervelo]

I was looking in the area where the cabin is supposed to be, it's not 1.8 million acres. I don't think it occurred to me until I drove through there that the whole thing might be a lie, but when I didn't find any vehicles where they ought to be then I did wonder about it; either the whole thing is a lie or the pics they post are deliberately misleading and the area is in a completely different location. Then I thought about the money involved in an ongoing operation like they describe, the tax status, and decided it was most likely all a lie.

Where was that area?? Your making an astounding claim after years of involvement in this subject matter, it's amazing that you've waited years to bring this up and now either won't or can't share the location you looked for the cabin.
It's a simple question.....you claim to have narrowed down a very specific site on. 1.8 million acre NF, yet apparently don't have some of the most basic knowledge of the subject matter and you seem to be dodging the question.
Where did you look?

 

[Jodie]

What about the idea that there weren't any Bigfooters there at the specific time that you visited?

It's possible, to me a continuous presence means that someone is there physically all of the time but it was right after a holiday weekend.

 

[Jodie]

Where was that area?? Your making an astounding claim after years of involvement in this subject matter, it's amazing that you've waited years to bring this up and now either won't or can't share the location you looked for the cabin.
It's a simple question.....you claim to have narrowed down a very specific site on. 1.8 million acre NF, yet apparently don't have some of the most basic knowledge of the subject matter and you seem to be dodging the question.
Where did you look?

THe guy who owns the cabin is very specific about where it is. Another forum member of the BFF owns property near there, her handle is Painthorse. I went on the NF lands that supposedly border these two properties. At this point I'ld have to look up the GPS co-ordinates but that ought to be enough for you to get a general idea of where I was.I'm not seeing why this is an astounding claim. I went for a ride , maybe in the wrong area, and found nothing.

 

[Cervelo]

I haven't been to the BFF in 5-6 years. What I'm recalling is what BB posted right before I was banned. I have never listened to BB's podcasts, and I hadn't looked at the NAWAC website in over two years until a day or two ago when we were talking about photos.

When I happened to be driving through the area, I looked near, or as close as I could get, to the general area that ABP, the Shrike, and a few others have said that Area X might be located. It wasn't planned, it was a " Well, while I'm here, I might as well look" kind of thing. I think you over estimate my involvement in this topic.

You seem to be very involved based on your participation in this thread and others....especially for someone who thinks it's all made up.
Quit dodging the question!

 

[Cervelo]

It's possible, to me a continuous presence means that someone is there physically all of the time but it was right after a holiday weekend.

Well as always....it begs the question....why wouldn't you get the facts of the story straight before you shoot your mouth off?