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The Valley of the Wood Apes

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I just experimented by taking my cell phone outside and taking a picture of a local tree...

Not only does the file have the lat/long and altitude, windows photo viewer actually put up a map with the location pinpointed when I clicked on File Info, and when you switch to the aerial photo view, well there's the tree from a year or so ago...

So Jodie, if I sent you the original file, you could verify the location without even knowing anything about how to extract the location data...
 
LTC8K6 said:
I just experimented by taking my cell phone outside and taking a picture of a local tree...

Not only does the file have the lat/long and altitude, windows photo viewer actually put up a map with the location pinpointed when I clicked on File Info, and when you switch to the aerial photo view, well there's the tree from a year or so ago...

So Jodie, if I sent you the original file, you could verify the location without even knowing anything about how to extract the location data...
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OK, but couldn't you just go to any old cabin, post some pics of it, post that this is your research area and call it a day?
 
>How did the GPS data get into the NAWAC photo files?

Just a quick caveat: it is trivially easy to insert or change the geotagging info (or any other EXIF tag) in a digital photograph with an EXIF editing tool. I've added approximate location data to my old photos, but there's nothing stopping anyone from inserting bogus information.

In all probability, your assumptions are correct. NAWAC took the pictures and forgot to delete the geotagging information. However, this is pretty easy stuff to edit, and you should never treat geotagging information as "proof" better than the word of the person who supplied it.
 
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Not if it embeds coordinates.
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But if they are bogus pics what does it matter what the GPS co-ordinates are? You could take pics of a cabin, or woods, what have you and say anything about them that you like. That doesn't make it a "research" area any more than Patty walking across a sandbar makes her a bigfoot.
 
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Jodie said:
But if they are bogus pics what does it matter what the GPS co-ordinates are? You could take pics of a cabin, or woods, what have you and say anything about them that you like. That doesn't make it a "research" area any more than Patty walking across a sandbar makes her a bigfoot.
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Is your claim that the NAWACers made up area x out of whole cloth and never spent any time at all looking for wood monkey's in OK?
 
Jodie said:
But if they are bogus pics what does it matter what the GPS co-ordinates are? You could take pics of a cabin, or woods, what have you and say anything about them that you like. That doesn't make it a "research" area any more than Patty walking across a sandbar makes her a bigfoot.
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So your suggesting that that the NAWACKIES pictures are all just random pictures and then they embedded GPS coordinates into them that match up with the imaginary research area?
Wow that Brian Brown really went to a lot of trouble to fool Sharon Hill, that dude thought of everything!!
 
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John Nowak said:
>How did the GPS data get into the NAWAC photo files?

Just a quick caveat: it is trivially easy to insert or change the geotagging info (or any other EXIF tag) in a digital photograph with an EXIF editing tool. I've added approximate location data to my old photos, but there's nothing stopping anyone from inserting bogus information.

In all probability, your assumptions are correct. NAWAC took the pictures and forgot to delete the geotagging information. However, this is pretty easy stuff to edit, and you should never treat geotagging information as "proof" better than the word of the person who supplied it.
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Yes, I think if they were aware of it, they'd have deleted it since the place was a secret...
 
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Jodie said:
OK, but couldn't you just go to any old cabin, post some pics of it, post that this is your research area and call it a day?
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Sure, I could do lots of things. I could even try to fool/misdirect you with bogus location tagging.

What I should do if I want to keep my bigfoot search area secret from you is turn off the tagging, or strip the data from the files, and tell you that I have done so to keep the location secret.

That's what honest folks would do who really think they need to keep the location hidden.

Totally honest folks would provide intact original files and let the chips fall where they may.

What you should not see from honest folks who want to keep their bigfoot location secret is photo files with tagging data included. :)

You will have to determine why there is tagging data in photos of a "secret" area. :D
What are the odds?

Is it inaccurate/modified data and therefore useless?
Is it accurate data that they forgot about?
Are the photos themselves not actually relevant to the "secret" area?
Is it a coincidence that the data points to locations in Ouachita NF?
Etc.
 
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Jodie said:
Oh get over yourself, how many times do I have to tell you guys that there is no one out there to even hear a rock falling IMO. As for being hypocritical, I think you need to look in the mirror.
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Jodie!
I'm still waiting for you to back up your innuendo that I'm a hypocrite.
 
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Or... more likely, Wood Apes know what the traffic counter is doing, so they walk back and forth in front of it, inflating the count, so people seeing the counts would say "Wow, there is too much traffic here to support a GIANT, OMNIVOROUS, TREE SMASHING, ROCK THROWING, BIPEDAL APE MAN." and they would move their research elsewhere.
 
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Or... more likely, Wood Apes know what the traffic counter is doing, so they walk back and forth in front of it, inflating the count, so people seeing the counts would say "Wow, there is too much traffic here to support a GIANT, OMNIVOROUS, TREE SMASHING, ROCK THROWING, BIPEDAL APE MAN." and they would move their research elsewhere.
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If we just had some sort of graphic to understand what this looks like.
 
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