JayUtah
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False. We define the copy to be perfect as a condition of the thought experiment.
There are no magical physics of "you" under H that would not be reproduced.
Irrelevant.
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False. We define the copy to be perfect as a condition of the thought experiment.
There are no magical physics of "you" under H that would not be reproduced.
Irrelevant.
godless dave
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Of course we are. Everything about me is determined by the events that led to me being born.
JayUtah
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Under H they are exactly as traceable as a Volkswagen. Traceability is not some magic bugaboo that fixes your argument. You were told what was wrong with your concept of traceability. Please have the courtesy to incorporate that into subsequent posts.
jsfisher
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Both copies would have an identical sense of ME. You, after replication, would become YOU and YOU with nothing to distinguish them.
In every possible way, yes it would be you. The copy would have your memories, your thoughts, your feelings; it would be 'know' itself to be you in the same way that you 'know' yourself to be you.
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- Sure, 1+1=2. I understand what you're saying, but it just explains why I'm right. Under H, YOU will not come back. And if YOU won't, YOU are not physically traceable.
godless dave
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How I am not physically traceable? Remember, under H, I am my body. I am not some separate thing hosted by my body.
Jabba
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- But, if I had previously died, would I be brought back to life?
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- If YOU are not brought back to life, H is simply wrong.
Belz...
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Again, this does not follow.
You are changing the meaning of the word "perfect" in order for it to be impossible to attain that standard. A perfect copy is STILL A COPY.
Yes we are. What you seem unwilling or unable to understand is that "you" is something that is traceable to a single set of circumstances. Creating even a perfect copy does not make "you" exist in both bodies. The replica copy is another person, but identical.
godless dave
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What part of H says that creating a duplicate of a person would bring that person's sense of self back to life?
Jabba
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- Yeah. But would YOU be brought back to life. That's my basic claim -- that "perfect" replica would be missing something.
Belz...
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That does not follow.
If I start my car and drive to New York tomorrow, and then a week later I create an exact copy of my car and drive on precisely the same path to New York, it's still not the exact same trip, is it?
Does that mean that "driving" is physically untraceable? No, of course not.
It's exactly the opposite. If you were brought back to life, H would be wrong.
How can you possibly get something so fundamentally wrong after so many years of us explaining things to you in detail?
Belz...
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It's not missing anything. It just isn't the same self. It's another, identical self.
This is the third or fourth time I post this today. Perhaps if you took the time to read and understand it?
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- If it's another person, it's different.
No, because if you had died then a perfect copy of you would also be dead.
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Nope, not missing a thing, at least not under H.
godless dave
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Different how? Does it observe differently, feel differently, perceive differently? In what way is it different?
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Begging the question. In the universe as you wish it to be the copy could not be perfect because you claim that you have a unique soul. Under H a perfect physical copy of you would have an identical consciousness, with both consciousnesses being cause and effect traceable to their respective brain, each looking out only through his set of eyes, and neither of them having a soul (or anything else "brought with" consciousness).
Separate but identical in every respect. It is different in the sense that it is a separate entity, but not different in the sense of not being identical.
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