You have demonstrated that you choose translations known to be unreliable in cases where they agree with what you already believe. That is not a comparison that leads to understanding the original. That is a comparison designed to support your predetermined conclusion.
Incorrect again, I choose to know the true meaning of the Scriptures, and as such consult many translations and commentaries. I have learnt how to decipher the Scriptures, not merely to read them
<snip>. It is the meaning of Scripture that is important—Jesus accused the teachers of the law as he does the teachers of Scripture today---Matthew_22:29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you
do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
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As you note, the manuscripts we have are not perfectly consistent and certainly far removed from the originals. They are, however, the best texts we have. The flaws you identify are not remedied by adding to them the vagaries of translation, and they are greatly hindered by translations that impose some sort of agenda. There is no argument you can make that credibly establishes comparative translation as superior to the original languages.
I did not say that the Scriptures that are available today are not credible—it is translating them into another language that is the problem. Words have different meanings, and so people have sought to find the correct closest meaning to the copies. But as I have stated, that one who starts at the beginning can understand the END.
Your critics disagree with you, as do all other Christians. This is not because you're so much better informed than they. This is not because they lack some magical skill at reading the Bible that only you have. You should know by now that arguments which boil down to accusing your critics of not doing their homework are not going to be successful and, in some cases, are not going to be allowed here.
My critics do not understand prophecy so they can never comprehend the purpose of the revelation that is given. The key to this is by applying the law in a practical way—there are people who live so privatively, that the very basic laws are still applicable.
Your response doesn't address the point. You shop around for the translation that says what you want to believe the scripture says, not the one that most accurately and correctly renders the original. Address that.
I consult all translation if I need to be sure of some vague facts in Scripture as with the case with Deuteronomy 22:28 and have found that my understanding is correct.
How do you know that—the Torah is the means to understand all Scripture, as Paul stated--Rom 2:20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have
in the Torah the embodiment of knowledge and truth—
Rom 2:21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?
This is the secret, practice what one preaches.
You SEE the understanding of the Scriptures is a revelation, so as Jesus stated—start at the beginning, and then go back to the beginning, and begin again at the beginning—it is not for lazy people, only for those who are zealous to know the truth as I am.
You don't have a comprehensive knowledge of the Torah. You have, at best, a beginning Sunday School student's comprehension.
You are proved wrong every time you repeat this
<snip> statement.
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My comprehensive knowledge far exceeds your
<snip> learning.
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Your response doesn't address the point. You don't limit your preaching to the Ten Commandments. Therefore begging us to evaluate your exegetical skill based on that short passage misses all the other stuff you get very wrong.
I do not get anything wrong, it is you who does not understand—the Ten Commands are vital to the faith, that is where it will begin and that is where it will END.
No. Your response doesn't address the point. You complain that your critics have no valid justification to accuse you of lying. This is because you ignore the justification they provide and substitute one of your own and pretend that's what they offer.
No I do not complain, my presence here is to hear what my most valuable critics have to say, because it will prepare me for when I start my public proclamations.
And this is what every other sectarian does. They all make these same claims and they all claim to be right. Your preaching does not rise above the sectarian squabbling.
Yes it does, because I proclaim what Jesus decreed, the others squabble about how they can refute Scripture.
And you specifically refuse to follow many of the mitzvot that do this in terms of outward appearance and behavior. It is ironic that you give a reasonable justification for why some of those laws were given, and then thumb your nose at the laws.
Once again you are so wrong, all the laws are relevant for teaching—which laws do I disregard, they all have a lesson. (Romans_15:4 For everything that was written in the past was written
to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
And
2Timothy_3:15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
So you SEE the Scriptures are the means to make a person wise. Titus_2:1
You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
People have asked you several times whether you obey certain of the mitzvot that the lack of a temple does not prevent you from obeying. You either admit you do not -- and give the typical excuse for not doing it -- or you refuse to answer, which can mean only that you don't want to admit you don't follow it.
Teach in accordance with sound doctrine—every law has an application, some for men, some for woman—now which laws would I not see as important—well certainly I would not go to Jerusalem three time a year to the temple, I am not a farmer, I do not have oxen and donkeys that I use to plough with, so it is logical to evaluate the 613 commands on this basis. I keep Sunday as the sabbath instead of Friday Saturday. I do not eat food forbidden by Torah teachings.
Now what about every day laws that the government has instituted for the safety of all.
<snip> I live in a land where this government has abolished the laws of the Creator, so I cannot be responsible for them. So the faith in Christ is far superior than the laws pertaining to holiness the exceed the laws of Torah.
Outward signs are replaced with inward changes—
Rom 2:25 Circumcision has value if you
observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised.
Rom 2:26 If those who are not circumcised
keep the law's requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised?
Rom 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and
yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
Rom 2:28 A man is not a Jew if he is only
one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
Rom 2:29 No, a man is a Jew if he is
one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.
So many of the outward symbols are replaced by an inward conversion—but a man is recognized by his conduct.
So, to teach children not to lie, will be a benefit to all. But the parent who lies will not teach their children, because it is by observation.
To teach children not to steal, to teach children not to be sexually deviant, will be an advantage to all—but how will parents teach their children when they are the offenders?
So you SEE the moral teachings in the Ten Commands are vital to characterizing a nation.
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