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"One cannot be racist against mexican..."

Where in Gods name are the facts on that?

Two recent studies bear this out. In the first, Hamilton College political scientist Philip Klinkner analyzed data from the 2016 American National Election Study (ANES) survey (a representative sample of 1,200 Americans) to compare feelings and attitudes toward Donald Trump and Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. He explored how economic opinions, racial attitudes and demographic variables predicted an individual's feelings toward Trump and Clinton. He found that one factor was much stronger than the other:

"My analysis indicates that economic status and attitudes do little to explain support for Donald Trump," he wrote for Vox last week. More to the point, "those who express more resentment toward African Americans, those who think the word 'violent' describes Muslims well, and those who believe President Obama is a Muslim have much more positive views of Trump compared with Clinton," Klinkner found.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-two-new-studies-find/?utm_term=.0ef7ad8eecd7


We find that opinions about how increasing racial diversity will affect American society had much more impact on support for Trump during the 2016 election compared to support for the Republican candidates in the two previous presidential elections. We also find that individuals with high levels of racial resentment were more likely to switch from Obama to Trump, but those with low racial resentment and more positive views about rising diversity voted for Romney but not Trump.
https://www.thenation.com/article/fear-of-diversity-made-people-more-likely-to-vote-trump/

Plenty more where those came from.

This post of yours is just more typical emotional division, a hallmark your side is quite known for.

Come on, man, this is a copy and paste from some other post of yours. You can do better.
 
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That is a, unsurprisingly, massive and incoherent leap of logic. Restricting immigration from certain areas need not be racist.

I think this is a fine distinction overall. While the phrase itself might not be racist, you can definitely infer the purpose of the one saying it based on other factors. During the Irish wave of immigration, I am not sure you would describe the negative sentiment as racism against their overarching racial group. They were directed at a specific group from a specific place. The reference to 'Mexicans' in the current times might not be as large a distinction.
 
Fascinating how you put up the most extreme left "studies" from the most extreme left rags while trying to prove your point. And your point, words don't mean what they really mean.

We even went through this with the birther issue, there also was no proof of this racism and here you're doing it again.
 
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Fascinating how you put up the most extreme left "studies" from the most extreme left rags while trying to prove your point. And your point, words don't mean what they really mean.

We even went through this with the birther issue, there also was no proof of this racism and here you're doing it again.

Sure, there's no proof of anything if you dismiss every study out of hand. It's amazing how right you always are if you never read anything, refuse to learn, and just say "lol leftist lol" over and over.

The Washington Post is not extreme left. Here is their three part piece on the racism of Trump voters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...han-in-electing-obama/?utm_term=.4a7512bcb264
 
I think this is a fine distinction overall. While the phrase itself might not be racist, you can definitely infer the purpose of the one saying it based on other factors. During the Irish wave of immigration, I am not sure you would describe the negative sentiment as racism against their overarching racial group. They were directed at a specific group from a specific place. The reference to 'Mexicans' in the current times might not be as large a distinction.

It's obviously racist now, but that's true in virtue of the facts.

Logger seemed to think that an international charter promoting an end to discrimination in public policy necessitated "open borders." This is incoherent.

Right now, the basis of our immigration hysteria is obviously racist. That's because it's a fake issue drummed up to win votes.

It's possible that there have been and will, in the future, be situations where borders are limited or controlled for reasons that have nothing to do with racism. Declaring an end to racial discrimination in public policy does not compel a nation to open its borders.
 
Sure, there's no proof of anything if you dismiss every study out of hand. It's amazing how right you always are if you never read anything, refuse to learn, and just say "lol leftist lol" over and over.

The Washington Post is not extreme left. Here is their three part piece on the racism of Trump voters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...han-in-electing-obama/?utm_term=.4a7512bcb264

The Washington Post doesn't worship logger's Fuhrer, therefore they are extreme leftists.
 
Sure, there's no proof of anything if you dismiss every study out of hand. It's amazing how right you always are if you never read anything, refuse to learn, and just say "lol leftist lol" over and over.

The Washington Post is not extreme left. Here is their three part piece on the racism of Trump voters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...han-in-electing-obama/?utm_term=.4a7512bcb264

Did they ever do a study on the racism of Obama supporters?

And yes WAPO is extreme left, only a leftist would claim them not. Just like you used Vox, another extreme left rag. I'll point them out to you from now on since you can't seem to figure it out on your own.
 
It's obviously racist now, but that's true in virtue of the facts.

Logger seemed to think that an international charter promoting an end to discrimination in public policy necessitated "open borders." This is incoherent.

Its incoherent because you can't understand unless someone spells it out for you. My point was an immigrant could conceivably get into a country by claiming racism? Maybe a stretch but since your side worships the UN democrats might let them decide our immigration law.
Right now, the basis of our immigration hysteria is obviously racist. That's because it's a fake issue drummed up to win votes.
So which is it? Racism or a fake issue to drum up votes?
Because I don't see the secure borders side talking about race.
Besides your side would be the ones to benefit from votes from poor third world country people. They know your side is willing to steal from others to give them cradle to grave care.
It's possible that there have been and will, in the future, be situations where borders are limited or controlled for reasons that have nothing to do with racism. Declaring an end to racial discrimination in public policy does not compel a nation to open its borders.
The fantasy land you live in is astounding
Did it ever occur to you that these working class poor compete directly with illegal aliens? Can they be for secure borders without gaining the racist tag from you? Does it always have to be such a decisive issue with the paid Libs on here?
 
Its incoherent because you can't understand unless someone spells it out for you. My point was an immigrant could conceivably get into a country by claiming racism? Maybe a stretch but since your side worships the UN democrats might let them decide our immigration law.

The charter wasn't binding law. It was a declaration of human rights from which a general usage was used. A resolution. Again, rejecting bias in public policy does not obligate one to open borders.

This is such a strange leap of reasoning.

So which is it? Racism or a fake issue to drum up votes?

Both. Racists find ignorant fear-mongering about Mexicans and Muslims very compelling. Cynical politicians realize this (and a lot of them believe it). Thus, a fake issue is brought to the fore, and it's only the racist nature of the issue that draws people in. There is no substantive issue of any major concern.

Because I don't see the secure borders side talking about race.

That's because you engage in a silly combination of:
1) Pretending that calling people "Mexicans" and spitting bigoted venom at someone for their nation of origin allows escape of the term "racist." This is ether not true or unimportant, depending on the definition of racism being used.
2) Thinking obvious dog-whistling fools anyone.
3) Thinking you can, mid-stream, change your religious ban into "extreme vetting" and thinking that fools anyone, and
4) Just denying the obvious. Again, not fooling anyone.

Besides your side would be the ones to benefit from votes from poor third world country people.

Which is why you and your racist friends spend so much effort trying to deny them entrance despite the clear benefits.

The fantasy land you live in is astounding
Did it ever occur to you that these working class poor compete directly with illegal aliens? Can they be for secure borders without gaining the racist tag from you? Does it always have to be such a decisive issue with the paid Libs on here?

I'm sure some of them are just swayed by the eager racists. Practically speaking, being ignorant of the actual facts is not fundamentally different from expressing gross bias towards brown people from various parts of the world. Perhaps they're more likely to eventually adopt a more humane and reasonable outlook, but they throw their support behind the racists, so I don't buy the poor, sad, white snowflake routine. The information is available.

We've gone over this a thousands times. The economic studies show that the presence of immigrants have a mild downward impact on the income of people who haven't graduated from high school. Everyone else experiences an increase in salary due to the economic activity generated.

That mild downward effect could be recovered in a number of ways. It's not a big number.

There is no serious issue, just ignorant fear mongering.
 
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The charter wasn't binding law. It was a declaration of human rights from which a general usage was used. A resolution. Again, rejecting bias in public policy does not obligate one to open borders.

This is such a strange leap of reasoning.

Sure but your socialist buddies are capable of anything.


Both. Racists find ignorant fear-mongering about Mexicans and Muslims very compelling. Cynical politicians realize this (and a lot of them believe it). Thus, a fake issue is brought to the fore, and it's only the racist nature of the issue that draws people in. There is no substantive issue of any major concern.

More fantasy. People are angry about illegal immigration. Nothing about race, just leftists using it to divide, because they're gutless!


That's because you engage in a silly combination of:
1) Pretending that calling people "Mexicans" and spitting bigoted venom at someone for their nation of origin allows escape of the term "racist." This is ether not true or unimportant, depending on the definition of racism being used.
2) Thinking obvious dog-whistling fools anyone.
3) Thinking you can, mid-stream, change your religious ban into "extreme vetting" and thinking that fools anyone, and
4) Just denying the obvious. Again, not fooling anyone.

More reality from the left?
No people are angry their country is being overrun by criminals, nothing more than that.


Which is why you and your racist friends spend so much effort trying to deny them entrance despite the clear benefits.
Actually, I don't have any racists friends. My friends love the lord and love to bring people together. You wouldn't understand that since your friends are so obsessed with dividing people.


I'm sure some of them are just swayed by the eager racists. Practically speaking, being ignorant of the actual facts is not fundamentally different from expressing gross bias towards brown people from various parts of the world. Perhaps they're more likely to eventually adopt a more humane and reasonable outlook, but they throw their support behind the racists, so I don't buy the poor, sad, white snowflake routine. The information is available.

We've gone over this a thousands times. The economic studies show that the presence of immigrants have a mild downward impact on the income of people who haven't graduated from high school. Everyone else experiences an increase in salary due to the economic activity generated.

That mild downward effect could be recovered in a number of ways. It's not a big number.

There is no serious issue, just ignorant fear mongering.

Once again it has nothing to do with race. People are upset no matter where the alien comes from. But do please keep going, your side has lost everything because you continue to insult people who have clear hearts with this issue. ;)
 
More fantasy. People are angry about illegal immigration. Nothing about race, just leftists using it to divide, because they're gutless!

No one is angry about illegal immigration. It affects almost no one negatively. The entire outlay of expense spent on undocumented people vs. what they pay into the system is about $190 million, a pittance compared to our budget that doesn't even factor in economic activity generated.

They're not angry about immigration because there's nothing to be angry about - unless you don't like brown people coming into the country.

More reality from the left?
No people are angry their country is being overrun by criminals, nothing more than that.

And lo, we move from immigrants to "criminals," despite the lower crime rate among all immigrants, undocumented or otherwise.

See, there's the racism: your willingness to believe, contrary to facts, that these brown people are ruining the place.

Actually, I don't have any racists friends. My friends love the lord and love to bring people together. You wouldn't understand that since your friends are so obsessed with dividing people.

I don't believe you. You, yourself, express many ideas that display a high level of racial resentment. I know you guys think that as long as you say, "I don't have a racist bone in my body," every gross, biased thing you say (like you're worried about "Criminals") is somehow whitewashed. Not working.

Once again it has nothing to do with race. People are upset no matter where the alien comes from. But do please keep going, your side has lost everything because you continue to insult people who have clear hearts with this issue. ;)

You're right, why, the ICE detention facility is a veritable UN of diversity...

Once again, when people say it has nothing to do with race and then spout a bunch of poorly hidden racist notions, no one is fooled.

Try and factually establish a problem with immigration in this country.
 
No one is angry about illegal immigration. It affects almost no one negatively. The entire outlay of expense spent on undocumented people vs. what they pay into the system is about $190 million, a pittance compared to our budget that doesn't even factor in economic activity generated.

They're not angry about immigration because there's nothing to be angry about - unless you don't like brown people coming into the country.

Aside from the fact that we have to compete against illegal labor, citizens of this country don't like people breaking our laws, simple as that. Has nothing to do with your fantasy land opinion about brown people.


And lo, we move from immigrants to "criminals," despite the lower crime rate among all immigrants, undocumented or otherwise.

Because you can't catch the clue, crossing our border without the proper papers is illegal?
See, there's the racism: your willingness to believe, contrary to facts, that these brown people are ruining the place.
Ruining the place? Who says that, you're truly not in reality!


I don't believe you. You, yourself, express many ideas that display a high level of racial resentment. I know you guys think that as long as you say, "I don't have a racist bone in my body," every gross, biased thing you say (like you're worried about "Criminals") is somehow whitewashed. Not working.

I couldn't care less what you "believe", we've already established your in fantasy land. A person like you who sees a racist around every corner would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad!


You're right, why, the ICE detention facility is a veritable UN of diversity...
Only a racist would be concerned about the diversity of the ICE jails. Normal people just want our borders secure.
Once again, when people say it has nothing to do with race and then spout a bunch of poorly hidden racist notions, no one is fooled.
Please do list those hidden racist notions? I need a good laugh!
Try and factually establish a problem with immigration in this country.
About 12 million problems? You do realize we don't have open borders?
 
Logger.
We even went through this with the birther issue, there also was no proof of this racism and here you're doing it again.

I would debate with logger but if he can claim this with a straight face, there is no point, he is not open to reason or evidence.
 
Logger.

I would debate with logger but if he can claim this with a straight face, there is no point, he is not open to reason or evidence.

He is kinda right. I'm not sure saying birtherism was driven by racism is something that can be proven. It can be inferred, but I doubt there is some smoking gun. There won't be a "jinx" moment.
 
Said it wrong? Perhaps he meant to say "They're reducing the overall rates of murder and rape slightly by coming here, though increasing the raw numbers a bit." It really came out wrong.

How about something honest that can still support his position? "They're committing identity theft at a high rate, and the overall cost of that crime is probably quite high."

When did facts ever matter to trump or his supporters? The point is to stoke white nationalism.
 
He is kinda right. I'm not sure saying birtherism was driven by racism is something that can be proven. It can be inferred, but I doubt there is some smoking gun. There won't be a "jinx" moment.

I guess you missed all the racist stereotypes he's spewed about black communities.
 
And similarly, the fact that you think that a movement opposed to racist police violence is itself racist tells us much about you.



Similarly, your party has also had racist senators (Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms). Naturally, each party has had various bigots, frauds, and the like. The issue is that the GOP's leader, today, is a clear-cut racist.

Hey they started off as democrats. But the republican devotion to fighting civil rights won them over.
 

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