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"One cannot be racist against mexican..."

logger said:
No I don't think I will, plenty of studies and opinions on both sides, you've proven to only believe your made up chosen narrative. I'm not wasting my time. Plenty of googling for you to study it.
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Well, I appreciate your honesty and saving me the time of reading any more of your aimless, sentimental nonsense.

You aren't going to make your case, you aren't going to substantiate your claims, you aren't going to present a rational argument - what are you doing on these boards other than trolling, then?
 
TraneWreck said:
Well, I appreciate your honesty and saving me the time of reading any more of your aimless, sentimental nonsense.

You aren't going to make your case, you aren't going to substantiate your claims, you aren't going to present a rational argument - what are you doing on these boards other than trolling, then?
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You're the one who thinks there's a racist around every corner, the burden of proof is on you. You can start another thread on illegal immigration if you like.
 
The concept of race is so artificial/arbitrary that I would prefer the more inclusive term "bigotry." Hutu and Tutsi might look like the same race to white observers a long way away, but a genocide was carried out based on ethnicity.

If someone says "all people from ethnicity x are cockroaches," is this a racist statement? I am not sure.

I suppose it could be racist for people to hate meztisos or mulattoes vs. what they see as "pure" white or Aryan people. I don't know exactly what would be pure white but under the 'even one drop" construct I wouldn't be white.

The Cher song "Half Breed" might have some truth in it. Two racial groups hating someone because they were half white or half Native American.
 
logger said:
Fascinating how you put up the most extreme left "studies" from the most extreme left rags while trying to prove your point.
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In your opinion, what publication/news organization could be considered mainstream?
 
TraneWreck said:
Hey man, you already tapped out.
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Really? Grow up. You said I was saving you time, you wouldn't have to read anymore of my aimless none sense. You are the one tapping out. You also have this immature way of trying to turn things around. When someone says they don't want to read my posts anymore, wouldn't that mean the're tapping out? ;)
 
Minoosh said:
The concept of race is so artificial/arbitrary that I would prefer the more inclusive term "bigotry." Hutu and Tutsi might look like the same race to white observers a long way away, but a genocide was carried out based on ethnicity.

If someone says "all people from ethnicity x are cockroaches," is this a racist statement? I am not sure.

I suppose it could be racist for people to hate meztisos or mulattoes vs. what they see as "pure" white or Aryan people. I don't know exactly what would be pure white but under the 'even one drop" construct I wouldn't be white.

The Cher song "Half Breed" might have some truth in it. Two racial groups hating someone because they were half white or half Native American.
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But of course it's not that simple. Rarely do people of this country say "all people from this or that". This country has come a long way from making blanket statements like that, usually its more targeted, people want to go out of their way not to make it about race, as it should be. The left are the ones who are the race pimp profiteers. They use it like a sword, which is a huge reason why they lost.
 
logger said:
Really? Grow up. You said I was saving you time, you wouldn't have to read anymore of my aimless none sense. You are the one tapping out. You also have this immature way of trying to turn things around. When someone says they don't want to read my posts anymore, wouldn't that mean the're tapping out? ;)
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At the end of a fight, two people leave the ring. It's the guy still sputtering on the mat begging the refs for help, not the one who strides out with a smile on his face, who gets the L.

If you want to get this going, make a point and we'll go from there. The nexus between illegal immigration and the racism in bias towards "Mexicans" is obvious. You can't just cry to the mods in lieu of making an argument.

Whenever you're willing to try and establish a case for illegal immigration being anything other than a minor issue in the US, we can have a discussion. Otherwise, try and muster what little dignity you have left and get on with your day.
 
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TraneWreck said:
At the end of a fight, two people leave the ring. It's the guy still sputtering on the mat begging the refs for help, not the one who strides out with a smile on his face, who tapped out.

If you want to get this going, make a point and we'll go from there. The nexus between illegal immigration and the racism in bias towards "Mexicans" is obvious. You can't just cry to the mods in lieu of making an argument.
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Then post the racism instead of claiming some sort of immature false victory.
Whos crying, my reports are quite targeted and very successful. ;)
Whenever you're willing to try and establish a case for illegal immigration being anything other than a minor issue in the US, we can have a discussion. Otherwise, try and muster what little dignity you have left and get on with your day.
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You really don't know what this thread is about? You must be a big boy moving those goal posts all the time. If you want to start that thread go ahead, I already know the answer without having the bias of dems needing votes and the republicans needing labor.
 
TraneWreck said:
So, that's a "no" on dignity.
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You've insinuated I'm a racist, liked this to a cage match and moved goal post so much, we're miles from this thread and then you somehow bring up dignity. Is that somehow a coherent point to you?

You're the one who thinks tha whole border issue is racism. You're the one who thought the whole birther issue was racism, and yet you can't point to any racist or anything racist. Go ahead tap out! ;)
 
TraneWreck said:
Still no argument. No reason for the champ to leave his beach house in Miami for a rematch.
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I don't have to make an argument for this thread as I don't think being against Mexicans coming here illegally is racist. So continue to tap out.
 
logger said:
I don't think being against Mexicans coming here illegally is racist.
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And yet you cannot offer any other reason. The mere fact that it's illegal isn't a reason as it used to be illegal for African Americans to sit at lunch counters in the South.

Maybe you should hire a trainer before a rematch. Someone to run you through concepts like "argument" or "facts" or "reason."

Gonna have to be in way better shape before you try again.
 
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stevea said:
If you are willing to redefine terms in such arbitrary ways, then anything, except contradiction, can be true, and we can 'fix' the 'contradiction/tautology' problem by merely redefining 'true' and 'false'.

The problem your original quote appears to be addressing is the sort of language distortion that you are endorsing. It's impossible to have reasonable communication when people use these distorted and often loaded revision to semantic meaning.
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On topic - it's an an appeal motive fallacy that lies at the core of this thread.

Certainly the Trump-ites wish to treat illegal immigrants distinctly from legal residents, but there is a lawful reason for that, and a reasonable expectation that an executive officer would enforce such law. Differentiation with a reason cannot be described as prejudice. Is there evidence of anything more ? (note the "modern meaning" of 'evidence' is not seething bile and emotionalism).
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The law in question allows the President to direct the Attorney General to use discretion in many kinds of cases, mostly aimed at preventing the breaking up of families where no criminal activity had occurred on the part of the immigrant (civil infractions like false forms and such aside). Obama shifted policy from a somewhat neutral stance to urging the full use of this discretion where allowed (even as he carried out historic levels of total resulting deportations). Despite the fact that Reagan basically created this framework and Congress adopted it into the U.S. Code a few years later, it was vilified by conservatives as "executive overreach" in a perplexing twist.

That has now basically reversed overnight. People are being taken from their spouses and children and ejected from the country because they told little white lies on employment forms. In many cases, they were picked up because they'd already admitted to the charge and were on a probation-like program to meet with an ICE official every so often, break no laws, have valid papers, stay employed, etc. Basically a punishment that is proportionally appropriate to the offense. Nevermind that I and every person I've ever known does the same thing, the absurdity of this is if "immigrant criminals" who are dangerous is the supposed target, then detention facility capacity, court time, and deportation logistics are now being tied up on people who are not dangerous, pose no threat, and that much less is available to deal with the ones who are.

It's demagoguery, whether he's genuinely racist or just knows society's capacity for accepting a scapegoat, he's willingly creating pain and anguish, severing mothers from babies, to achieve some goal of his own, very likely for no greater purpose than minimally assuage his ever unquenchable ego.

But, in any case, he is not compelled to implement the law the way he is, it specifically allows for him to waive the process of deportation in the event of numerous described scenarios.
 
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TraneWreck said:
And yet you cannot offer any other reason. The mere fact that it's illegal isn't a reason as it used to be illegal for African Americans to sit at lunch counters in the South.

Maybe you should hire a trainer before a rematch. Someone to run you through concepts like "argument" or "facts" or "reason."

Gonna have to be in way better shape before you try again.
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It's quite simple and it isn't because it's illegal. Mexican is not a race, since all agree with that, the burden of proof is on you to prove its a massive racist plot to secure our border. Go ahead, it should be easy for you.
 
logger said:
It's quite simple and it isn't because it's illegal. Mexican is not a race, since all agree with that, the burden of proof is on you to prove its a massive racist plot to secure our border. Go ahead, it should be easy for you.
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Haha, you are a character. Obviously a one-note character. The act wears thin at roughly the same speed people got tired of hearing, "Dino-MITE."

Around and around you go.

You made the assertion, you provide the argument. If it's simple, you shouldn't have any trouble making an actual argument and substantiating it with facts and evidence. Yet post after post it's the same silly nonsense.
 
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