Near death experiences

[slipknot0129]

And let's not forget that many NDEs are either frightening or don't fit with the usual Christian claims about their homogeneity.

Each soul is different and goes to different places after death.

 

[Belz...]

Each soul is different and goes to different places after death.

That's nice.

You'll be providing evidence for your claim anytime soon, I suppose?

 

[JayUtah]

If nothing happened after death, then people wouldn't be having near death experiences.

How do you know that? Near death is not the same as death any more than near pregnancy is the same as pregnancy.

 

[JayUtah]

Each soul is different and goes to different places after death.

I'm an atheist. Where does my soul go when I die? And how do you know?

 

[Hokulele]

If nothing happened after death, then people wouldn't be having near death experiences.

That doesn't follow. You are basically begging the question.

 

[slipknot0129]

I'm an atheist. Where does my soul go when I die? And how do you know?

Atheists go to their version of heaven.

 

[Belz...]

Atheists go to their version of heaven.

Atheists don't have a version of heaven. They're ATHEISTS.

 

[JayUtah]

Atheists go to their version of heaven.

What version would that be? I don't believe in souls. I don't believe in a heaven. All the atheists I know believe similarly.

And if "heaven" in your cosmology is simply an outgrowth of what the individual personally believes, how can you argue it actually exists in any meaningful sense? How does subjective belief dictate an objective reality?

 

[Belz...]

If I believe hard enough, can I go to the Star Wars universe when I die?

If this heaven is individual, who are these other people I'll be living with there, and what mechanism creates that universe?

 

[slipknot0129]

What version would that be? I don't believe in souls. I don't believe in a heaven. All the atheists I know believe similarly.

And if "heaven" in your cosmology is simply an outgrowth of what the individual personally believes, how can you argue it actually exists in any meaningful sense? How does subjective belief dictate an objective reality?

Pretty much God will make everybody happy.

 

[Hokulele]

Atheists go to their version of heaven.

What if I am already there? I generally spend more effort avoiding death, than looking forward to what happens after that. The whole concept of obsessing over an afterlife, rather than this life we actually know about, strikes me as fatalistically creepy.

 

[JayUtah]

Pretty much God will make everybody happy.

You didn't answer my key question. How does subjective belief dictate reality?

I don't believe in any god. Does that disbelief render him nonexistent? How can an nonexistent god make me happy?

 

[Belz...]

Pretty much God will make everybody happy.

How do you know this?

 

[slipknot0129]

How do you know this?

Life is perfect now, it will be even better when you die.

 

[MikeG]

He asked how you knew it, not for you to just parrot it out again.

 

[Belz...]

Life is perfect now, it will be even better when you die.

That does not answer my question: how do you know that your claims are true?

And by "know", I don't mean "feel". I mean: what evidence do you have?

Stop dodging this question.

 

[JayUtah]

Life is perfect now, it will be even better when you die.

You aren't answering our questions. You're just spewing random verbal glitter.

 

[Giordano]

If nothing happened after death, then people wouldn't be having near death experiences.

If something happened after death, then people would be having post-death experiences. People aren't having "near-death" experiences- they are having lapses of consciousness.

 

[Crossbow]

Life is perfect now, it will be even better when you die.

I see this as one of two possibilities ...

First: for someone who has never died, then you sure do know a good bit of what happens to everyone after they do die. Therefore, you have managed to get some sort of data that no one in all of recorded history has been able to obtain.

Second: you are just creating this nonsense for one absurd reason or another.

As for me, I know which of these possibilities that I will choose.

 

[Hokulele]

Life is perfect now, it will be even better when you die.

See? That is exactly what I mean by creepy and fatalistic. It basically glamorizes dying, and makes suicide sound like a desirable option.