LDS II: The Mormons

Billy Baxter said:
As for me, I couldn't care less about whether horses were found in ancient mesoamerica. When I am brought to the judgment bar, will Jesus ask, "Billy, how did you treat the poor, the ill in the hospital, the prisoners in jail, the widows and orphans? And Billy, did you believe there were horses in ancient America? Did you spread the good word about whether these horses were brown, or white, or perhaps even speckled? Were some of these holy horses bigger than others, and if so, did you prove this to your fellow man?"

The BOM is about Christ and the gospel, not Animals-We-Believe-In.

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The silly mistakes in the BoM are evidence that Joseph Smith made it up. If your God exists, you will not find him in the BoM.

I've known Christians who are pretty sure that certain LDS teachings, especially the one about Mormons eventually becoming gods themselves, are blasphemous. What if Jesus asks you "Billy, why did you accept blasphemous teachings when the evidence that they were made up by a fantasist was right there in front of you?".
 
Pixel42 said:
The silly mistakes in the BoM are evidence that Joseph Smith made it up. If your God exists, you will not find him in the BoM.
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what an odd thing to say! "If the God of the BOM exists, you won't find him in the BOM." Sheer biased subjective unsupported opinion.

I've known Christians who are pretty sure that certain LDS teachings, especially the one about Mormons eventually becoming gods themselves, are blasphemous. What if Jesus asks you "Billy, why did you accept blasphemous teachings when the evidence that they were made up by a fantasist was right there in front of you?".
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I don't consider deification to be blasphemous. It is Biblical.

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Billy Baxter said:
what an odd thing to say! "If the God of the BOM exists, you won't find him in the BOM." Sheer biased subjective unsupported opinion.
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By "your God" I meant the Christian God.

I don't consider deification to be blasphemous. It is Biblical.

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The belief that there is, and only ever will be, one God is pretty central to mainstream Christianity. I can certainly understand why many Christians consider the teachings of the LDS in this respect blasphemous.
 
Pixel42 said:
By "your God" I meant the Christian God.
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So did I.

The belief that there is, and only ever will be, one God is pretty central to mainstream Christianity. I can certainly understand why many Christians consider the teachings of the LDS in this respect blasphemous.
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Do they believe the Bible and people like C.S. Lewis, who teach this so-called "blasphemy"?

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Pixel42 said:
Nope, that's the status quo - the default (null) hypothesis. You are the one challenging it, so the burden of proof is on you.
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to me, the status quo is Christian belief that Jesus was resurrected. You Appeal to Popular Belief is the status quo to you, not to me.

"Claim A is the status quo."
"Who says so?"
"People who believe Claim A."

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Billy Baxter said:
As for me, I couldn't care less about whether horses were found in ancient mesoamerica. When I am brought to the judgment bar, will Jesus ask, "Billy, how did you treat the poor, the ill in the hospital, the prisoners in jail, the widows and orphans? And Billy, did you believe there were horses in ancient America? Did you spread the good word about whether these horses were brown, or white, or perhaps even speckled? Were some of these holy horses bigger than others, and if so, did you prove this to your fellow man?"



The BOM is about Christ and the gospel, not Animals-We-Believe-In.



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But it is full of lies. If it lies about horses, metalworking, the origin of Native Americans, and a great many other things, which it does, why would you expect it to be truthful on other matters?
 
Billy Baxter said:
you know this for a fact? If so, please provide objective evidence proving this.

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My Dear Mr. Baxter:

Others have tried to reverse the onus in exactly this way.

Follow: in observed reality, when a living being dies, its body decomposes and the being stays dead. Superstitionists make a few exceptional claims about some who are said either not to have died, or to have dies and come back to life. Since the extraordinary claim is that a particular person was said to be said to be observed to die and be buried, and yet to have "risen form the dead", the burden of proof is on you to support your extraordinary claim.

One can find the actual bodies of actual human being who have died and not "risen from the dead" in all sorts of places. Once can demonstrate that "reports" of "speaking with the dead" are fraudulent at nearly any "psychic's" act.

Again I ask you: what objective evidence of the supposed "visit" of the Christ to "the Americas" have you to offer, other than the bald assertions of the BoM?

I remain, patiently yours &ct.
 
Billy Baxter said:
The cite you quote here is mere speculation. The author says it is improbable that horses went extinct after Christ. He doesn't know for a fact, nor does he provide objective, irrefutable evidence that they didn't go extinct at that time.

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My Dear Mr. Baxter:

You continue to try to reverse the onus. One wonders why that is...

I remain, unreversedly yours &ct.
 
halleyscomet said:
But it is full of lies. If it lies about horses, metalworking, the origin of Native Americans, and a great many other things, which it does, why would you expect it to be truthful on other matters?
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I've read the BOM seven or eight times and have never encountered a lie in it.

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Billy Baxter said:
nope

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My Dear Mr. Baxter:

You do not understand the onus probandi at all. It can be observed that people die. It can be observed that once dead, people decay. You are claiming that at least one person did not so, in contravention of the observed norm.

It is, in fact, up to you to provide evidence that your egregious claim is true.

I remain, groundedly yours &ct.
 
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Slowvehicle said:
My Dear Mr. Baxter:

In what years, in your opinion, is the Christ to be supposed to have visited the Americas, according to the BoM? I do hope you will deign to provide me an answer.

I reamin, expectantly yours &ct.
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I believe it was AD 34.

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