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Why Didn't The Allies Back Hitler.

Of course, the nutzis were a little smarter than the klan ***** - klansters help good people by wearing those white robes and hoods with the cross over the heart on the robe and the one over the forehead. Perfect aiming points for making them have really bad days!!!!!
 
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I saw the title of this thread on my RSS feed, and thought "that sounds like an interesting discussion to be had". Then I read the OP, and realised the inferences here are nothing more than racism and antisemitism.

It might have been an interesting discussion had the OP approached it from a truly historical or factual perspective. Oh well... another opportunity lost!

A better question might be, why did the Allies not attack Germany in 1939 while most of their troops were tied up with invading Poland... but that's a discussion for another thread.
 
You keep quoting the Haavara Agreement. A quick web-search, about 60,000 people of Jewish origin left Germany between 1933 and 1938 under this agreement. In 1933, the estimated Jewish population was some 500,000 people. This means just over 10% of the Jewish population may have used this program to leave Germany, far short of the 60-70% you keep claiming. Also, this was not a simple agreement which allowed Jews to emigrate but rather a program where Jewish families paid large sums to be allowed to emigrate, a kind of economic blackmail by the Nazi government.
 
truthist said:
Even back then, most people knew that the Bolsheviks and Stalin were monsters. So why didn't the allies back Hitler. Well Russia was for the most part an oriental country. In part probably due to them having been ruled by the Mongol Golden Horde for centuries. Did the allies not back Hitler because Germany was more of a civilized, advanced and "Western" country than Russia? That doesn't make any sense.

Also, after WW I, the allies actually sent troops into Russia to help defeat the Bolsheviks. So it seems pretty strange to help them in WW II. Another thing is that Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939. (Some say because ethnic Germans in Poland were being slaughtered) It didn't take the allies long to declare war on Germany for doing so. But war wasn't declared on Russia when they did the same two or three weeks later. Neither was war declared on Russia when they invaded Finland on November 30, 1939.

Another thing is that on June 22, 1941, Germany invaded Russia. There was at least one book written that made the point that the reason they did so was that because a few weeks later, Russia was scheduled to invade Germany. And what did the U.S. do when Germany did so? They started sending Russia supplies and munitions! Even though we weren't at war with Germany yet.

Also, after WW I, the allies stole something like 65 billion in gold from Germany as reparations for WW I. But Germany just got sucked into that war like everybody else. Could it be that the Allies didn't back Hitler because he put a stop to those reparations? Another thing is that Hitler made it so Germans didn't literally need a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread with. Could it be that the allies didn't back Hitler because he fixed that problem? Or because he gave most Germans what they desperately needed? Employment?

I will tell you a couple of the real reasons that the allies didn't back Hitler. For one, to most Christians, a good way to prove the power of their imaginary god is to support the jewish people. And Hitler DARED deport 60 to 70% of its jews to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement. Another reason they didn't support Hitler can be shown in a couple pictures I will add. One is an image from the first 'talkie" that the jew Charlie Chaplin ever did. The second picture and quote is of the Russian head of the NKVD. Can you make the connection? Boy have you people been played for saps!
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Let's start with some basic international politics and history.

Yes - Stalin and the USSR were monsters. Yes, we knew that. Hitler was deemed the greater threat for the big reason that he was invading other nations AND was not playing by the usual diplomatic rules, breaking treaties and generally making him less trustworthy to western countries then the Soviets were.

Many of the western Allies did support the Whites in Russia post-WWI. You'll note that the Whites lost.

France, and the United Kingdom declared war on Germany 1 Sep 39 because of their treaty with Poland. Germany used the justification that ethnic Germans were being abused in Poland for his little invasion. The reality was that the abuse of ethnic Germans in Poland was not a major thing until after the German invasion.

As for reparations imposed by Versailles - those stopped prior to Hitler coming to power. The western allies were quite happy to see the rampant inflation come to a stop in Germany.

As for the Haavara Agreement - it allowed about 60,000 Jews to emigrate. Of the approx. 523,000 that were living in Germany 1 Jan 33. 70% of the 1933 jewish population would have been approximately 366,100 people, about 6 times more then were allowed to leave.
 
truthist:

If you are actually interested in the real reason why the allies did not support Hitler, then I can tell you.

The real reason was because Hitler was so extremely stupid who had such an extremely inflated sense of his own importance.

Hitler did want England to support Germany when Germany invaded Russia. Or at the very least, Hitler hoped that England would not cause any trouble for him while Germany was busy dealing with Russia.

Hitler expected that it would only take Germany a few weeks to win a war against Russia. Then, once Russia was secure, then Hitler would start build 'Germania' and thereby become known throughout history as both a great warrior and a great builder.

I have never been able to figure out how Hitler could be so extremely optimistic while also being so extremely of basic facts.
 
I was curious, since the history of the USSR is a bit of an interest of mine. Oddly, I can't find any reputable source for the Yagoda quote. I'm disinclined to think it genuine, because Jews in the Communist Party tended to be extremely secular - especially once Stalin took power, as he was not particularly fond of the Tribe himself.
 
Well he hadn't declares war on the U.S. yet. But that didn't stop the U.S. from sending Russia supplies and munitions. Also, the other countries that were at war with Germany had the choice whether to back Hitler or Stalin. With absolutely perfect 20/20 hindsight, those who were at war with Germany made the wrong choice. They could have made peace with Germany at any time. After all, Germany only invaded Poland. Russia invaded both Poland AND Finland.
 
I wish there were some intelligent people at this forum. Get this. Just about everything you heard and continue to hear about Hitler and WW II in general is an utter lie! Did you not read my thread? With perfect 20/20 hindsight, it is clear as day that Stalin was far worse than Hitler ever thought of being. I will give you one example out of zillions of others. After Germany and Russia both defeated Poland, both side took many Polish prisoners. The Russians executed something around 22,000 Poles in the Katyn massacre. The Nazis didn't do that. I remember seeing something about Poles who fought for the allies, including Russia, against Germany. What "class A" treasonous suckers they turned out to be!
 
After Russia also invaded Poland, the allies could VERY easily have un-declared war on Germany. I'm sure Germany would have went along with it. And maybe if Britain and France had done that, Russia wouldn't later have invaded Finland.
 
It makes no sense to discuss the US position on Hitler during WWII.

The time for Germany to have won over the US was during WWI. And they came close. They shot themselves in the foot by conducting terrorist activities on the US East Coast. It was hard for isolationist Wilson to ignore that.

As far as I'm concerned, WWII was just WWI after an intermission. Alliances were set and they weren't going to change.
 
Charlie Chaplin was jewish. Next, I could show you many pictures of murdered ethnic Germans in Poland. Next, there is plenty of evidence out there that says that if Germany didn't invade Russia, Russia would have invaded Germany. Google it! There is one website called, "Institute for Historical review. New evidence on the 1941 Barbarossa attack: Why Hitler attacked Soviet Russia when he did." Then there is one of the books written by Viktor Suvorov called "Icebreaker." I ran across another historian who claimed that Germany beat Russia to the attack by just one day.

Next, as I said, Germany had something around 65 billion in GOLD stolen from it as reparations for WW I. A war that Germany just got sucked into like everybody else. Also, with all the anti-German sentiment going around, I am HIGHLY doubtful that the U.S. gave Germany anything to make up for those reparations. Also, Hitler unfortunately lost. Germany made its final WW I reparation payment in 2010.

Next, Germany DID deport 60 to 70% of its jews to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement. There was some jewish wealth that couldn't be transported. Jews in Palestine were to be paid in the form of German exports of goods sent to them.
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The U.S. was unofficially at war with Germany before WW I by giving supplies and munitions to England. History repeated itself before WW II by the U.S. giving supplies and munitions to England. Much of it through the Lend-Lease agreement.
 
It was a Serb who assassinated the Arch Duke and his wife. Revenge was planned on the Serbs. But the Serbs and Russia were friends. So on and so on. Germany didn't start the war.
 
truthist said:
With perfect 20/20 hindsight, it is clear as day that Stalin was far worse than Hitler ever thought of being.
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The Nazis had every intention of killing far more than they ended up doing.

truthist said:
After Germany and Russia both defeated Poland, both side took many Polish prisoners. The Russians executed something around 22,000 Poles in the Katyn massacre. The Nazis didn't do that.
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No they just killed 60,000 Polish prisoners.
 
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Anyway, the hope for the West was that Hitler would invade Russia and the two regimes would destroy each other while they sat back and watched.
 
truthist said:
After Russia also invaded Poland, the allies could VERY easily have un-declared war on Germany. I'm sure Germany would have went along with it. And maybe if Britain and France had done that, Russia wouldn't later have invaded Finland.
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Why would they? There was no reason for the western allies to have done so when the USSR invaded. The war was declared when Germany invaded, and unless Germany withdrew from Poland, there was no reason to "undeclare war."
 
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