Disgraceful! Richard Spencer Sucker-Punched While Giving Interview

caveman1917 said:
You weren't particularly clear about the exploiting labour (ie having employees) thing.
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I described working there on Fridays and another person covering the store when she has shows. My explaining why I suspect that didn't quite sink in for you will draw the following response: :rolleyes:

I get to decide if I'm being exploited, not you.

I do a fair job and get a fair wage for it. It is my labor to offer in exchange and the association we maintain in that capacity is a consensual one. Do you propose that you or any other outside party should be able to alter or abolish that association?

In theory? Nothing.

In practice? Well, look at the private property which actually does get rearranged: Bank of America, Starbucks, McDonalds, etc. Where would you think she would be on that list?
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Probably somewhere similar to the people who work at a particular local franchise of one of those companies, which are typically organized under the exact same form of business license (L.L.C.). The employees and managers all probably live within some reasonable distance from there, as well.

Are you proposing that some arrangement of letters on a sign on the side building determine what buildings are or are not valid targets for vandalism?

If otherwise, could you perhaps hasten to making a coherent statement on what the determining factors are in this regard?

Something with objective metrics so a standard can be applied that wouldn't allow people to pussy-foot around and just lash out irrationally against whatever they want on a whim and back-fill the justifications as they go?
 
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caveman1917 said:
Are you under the impression that you're producing some sort of argument rather than making essentially random statements?
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They only seem random because your memory is equivalent to that of a goldfish.

Malnutrition is a leading cause of death in the world.
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Good thing I listed nutritional assistance then, isn't it?

Of course you are, if you want to claim that I've cherry-picked the US at least.
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Well, to use your words it was: the so-called "US"

Now, do you have a system for eliminating poverty?

I'm not really sure how causing people who live paycheck to paycheck to be out of work while their place of employment is rebuilt is helping on that issue.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Probably somewhere similar to the people who work at a particular local franchise of one of those companies, which are typically organized under the exact same form of business license (L.L.C.). The employees and managers all probably live within some reasonable distance from there, as well.
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Support your local capitalist! They're from around here, they're none of those fereigners! :D

Something with objective metrics so a standard can be applied that wouldn't allow people to pussy-foot around and just lash out irrationally against whatever they want on a whim and back-fill the justifications as they go?
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:rolleyes: (sometimes lists of targets are published days in advance)
 
Ziggurat said:
Tell me all about how productive anarchist farms are.
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There were some Anarchist pockets in Spain during the Spanish Civil War.

From what I remember, they did the following:

-Replace money with coupons
-Fight a really disorganised war (get on truck, drive to front, take pot-shots at Fascists, drive back, have dinner, recite revolutionary poetry, make love to girlfriend, go to bed, repeat until shot by Fascist).
-Fail to capitalise on initial military success, because we don't want hierarchy and therefore can't appoint negotiators, nor decide points to negotiate.
-Set fire to a couple of churches.

That's it, I think. It lasted too short to see how this would work for real in peacetime.



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Delphic Oracle said:
They only seem random because your memory is equivalent to that of a goldfish.
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No it's because they really are random. Most of them simply false as well.

Good thing I listed nutritional assistance then, isn't it?
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:rolleyes:

Your claim of me "cherry picking the US" is shown false.

Well, to use your words it was: the so-called "US"

Now, do you have a system for eliminating poverty?
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I need not give you any such "system".

I'm not really sure how causing people who live paycheck to paycheck to be out of work while their place of employment is rebuilt is helping on that issue.
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How long do you think it takes to board a window? I'm sure the Jabba-person (LLC) who makes them live paycheck to paycheck can just keep giving them paychecks while the windows are being boarded.

Try more argument and less incoherent rambling.
 
caveman1917 said:
Support your local capitalist! They're from around here, they're none of those fereigners! :D
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They're even fellow human beings and everything.

She's native. The other employee is from Bulgaria.

But thanks for demonstrating your utter lack of good faith.

(sometimes lists of targets are published days in advance)
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Which doesn't address my point about an objective standard at all.
 
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Your claim of me "cherry picking the US" is shown false.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11696584#post11696584

I need not give you any such "system".
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Then why bring up poverty and the devastation it brings at all? You're offering nothing better. You condone violence against me and people I care about.

With your own stated beliefs that some vague sense of potential social harms justify violence, I'd be well within my rights to slit your throat and not feel one ounce of remorse about it. You could hardly utter an objection to that (what with all the blood clogging up your voice box).

How long do you think it takes to board a window? I'm sure the Jabba-person (LLC) who makes them live paycheck to paycheck can just keep giving them paychecks while the windows are being boarded.
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Crime scene closes it down for days, sometimes. These trust fund kiddies who think they're so edgy don't mind looting in many cases, either. No stock, no sales. Why are the employees obligated to remuneration without having provided a consideration for exchange?

Try more argument and less incoherent rambling.
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Lie on your back, take aim, and piss.
 
caveman1917 said:
How long do you think it takes to board a window? I'm sure the Jabba-person (LLC) who makes them live paycheck to paycheck can just keep giving them paychecks while the windows are being boarded.

Try more argument and less incoherent rambling.
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Take a moment to savor this one.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
You condone violence against me and people I care about.
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Evidence?

With your own stated beliefs that some vague sense of potential social harms justify violence
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What violence? Poverty? The violent suppression of speech negating a belief system about private property?

I'd be well within my rights to slit your throat and not feel one ounce of remorse about it.
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Yes, fascists tend to be that way. Shooting people, slitting throats, urging people to throw their bodies on the line to defend the specific arrangement of inanimate objects "owned" by abstract persons (LLC's and what have you not) who only exist in their heads anyway.

You could hardly utter an objection to that (what with all the blood clogging up your voice box).
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Yes, very true.

Crime scene closes it down for days, sometimes. These trust fund kiddies who think they're so edgy don't mind looting in many cases, either. No stock, no sales. Why are the employees obligated to remuneration without having provided a consideration for exchange?
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It appears that this Jabba-person (LLC as you call it) is having a tantrum about its belief system being disputed and randomly takes it out on its workers.

The workers should continue to be remunerated because it ain't their fault and they kept up their end of the bargain, namely showing up willing to provide labour. If the Jabba-person wants to hold its workers liable for the state of its property then it should provide them with the benefits as well - ie the property should be worker-owned.
 
caveman1917 said:
Demonstrate that malnutrition is the result of lack of productivity, in other words that there is not enough food being produced to meet demand.
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Anarchists can't produce food at all. You can't efficiently distribute nothing. Not that anarchists can distribute food produced by others, except by looting.
 
Ziggurat said:
Anarchists can't produce food at all. You can't efficiently distribute nothing. Not that anarchists can distribute food produced by others, except by looting.
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Who has time to grow food when there's so many people's faces to wag their fingers in?
 
Eddie Dane said:
Wow, great footage of the riots.

But they seem to have forgotten to include the video of that girl getting maced and that unconscious guy being beaten with a metal rod.

Bit of oversight there.
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Hey,that's SOP for a Berkeley protest....for us in Northren California it's "Berkeley is at it again.BFD.

But the action in the street was close to a really good Indian restaurant in Berkley. Hope it was not damaged.
 
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